Free pass on Corruption

If you knew that someone had just killed an obvious bot would you give them a pass, or chance to work off their corruption rather than outright killing them?

Recently returned to New World and their new start servers with some guild mates to kill time but the sheer number of bots really does put a dampener on the whole experience. Has it just become the norm with some people to just set up bots now days?

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Songcaller

I probably wouldn't give a free pass if someone kills a bot unless I'm aware the bot was a bot to begin with. Unless a bot gives some sort of status effect for being killed i would imagine there would be no real way to know if a bot has been killed.

Anyone can claim to have killed a bot.

Azherae

I'll give someone a pass if they tell me the name of the bot.

That's pretty simple to me.

"Who did you kill?" is going to be a common question in my node, I feel.

I'm not saying that I will 'try to kill them if I don't know that bot'. I'm not even going to fight them if I know that's NOT a bot and they did it anyway, I'll just tell them that it wasn't a bot.

So it's likely that at least from me, most Corrupted players around me, particularly my Node Citizens, will just get a free pass. I'm not likely to be engaging Corrupted players non-verbally based on the fact that they're red.
If they ignore and don't answer, depending on where they are, we might attack them.

After all, they might be a bot!

Ludullu

Yeah, I'd most likely give a pass if the PK tells me they killed a bot. I'd ask where and who, so that I can go check if the bot returns (cause I'd assume he has a script to farm the same place). I would also probably immediately PM the given name to doublecheck. If there's no response within a few minutes (the length would depend on the corruption balancing) - I'd probably let the PKer go and would then check the location of the supposed bot.

If it's not there - there's a somewhat high chance that it was just an afk player. At which point I'd note down the PKer's name and citizenship (dearly hope we can see which node someone belongs to) and if the PKer is not from my node - I'll be killing them immediately if they ever go red again. If they are from my node, I'll try PMing the victim later and asking them what their logs say, to try and figure out what happened.

In other words, I'd try to solve the social situation rather than just killing the red.

Veeshan

They should add a pop up when a green player is killed (do you wont to forgive the killer) yes/no, if no u get corruption, if message is ignored or they hit yes u dont get corruption on the kill.

just makes it a little harder for bots to give corruption to players well some thing slighty more to code on the bot side of things

Azherae

Veeshan wrote: »

They should add a pop up when a green player is killed (do you wont to forgive the killer) yes/no, if no u get corruption, if message is ignored or they hit yes u dont get corruption on the kill.

just makes it a little harder for bots to give corruption to players well some thing slighty more to code on the bot side of things

Yes but it's like 2 lines of code...

novercalis

nope - free loot is free loot and all your loot belongs to us.

tautau

Corrupt players will frequently claim to have killed a bot, so if you PM them they will make that claim then logout or run away before you can attempt to confirm the truth (which will not be easy to do). I will generally kill the corrupt player asap unless I know them personally. If, somehow, they prove to have killed a bot, the I can always return the gear they drop.

If someone goes red, they do so at their peril.

PS If you want to kill a bot, drop a train on them.

novercalis

tautau wrote: »

Corrupt players will frequently claim to have killed a bot, so if you PM them they will make that claim then logout or run away before you can attempt to confirm the truth (which will not be easy to do). I will generally kill the corrupt player asap unless I know them personally. If, somehow, they prove to have killed a bot, the I can always return the gear they drop.

If someone goes red, they do so at their peril.

PS If you want to kill a bot, drop a train on them.

Kill first, Ask question later motto

Strevi

tautau wrote: »

Corrupt players will frequently claim to have killed a bot, so if you PM them they will make that claim then logout or run away before you can attempt to confirm the truth (which will not be easy to do). I will generally kill the corrupt player asap unless I know them personally. If, somehow, they prove to have killed a bot, the I can always return the gear they drop.

If someone goes red, they do so at their peril.

PS If you want to kill a bot, drop a train on them.

PS

That means trains must be possible

Mag7spy

If you are red no matter what the reason you are loot to me are as far as I'm concerned. No one gets a free pass unless they are a guildy or friend.

novercalis

Strevi wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

Corrupt players will frequently claim to have killed a bot, so if you PM them they will make that claim then logout or run away before you can attempt to confirm the truth (which will not be easy to do). I will generally kill the corrupt player asap unless I know them personally. If, somehow, they prove to have killed a bot, the I can always return the gear they drop.

If someone goes red, they do so at their peril.

PS If you want to kill a bot, drop a train on them.

PS

That means trains must be possible

that means - griefing / potential player harassment - breaking Terms of Service/Rules in the event it wasnt a bot. (Hell even if it was a bot - and they were on their pc, those fuckers can retaliate with a report)

tautau

Excuse me if I am misunderstanding something, but how could dropping a train be considered a ToS infraction?

I can see that if one drops train on a certain player "...in a negative and harrassing and repetitive manner" (see below) that it could be considered griefing, so perhaps this IS something that we will have clarified in the future. Note, however, in the quote the use of 'and' twice, which implies that doing it to the same player again and again might be different from just doing it once or twice.

Can you all help interpret that, do I have it wrong?

Looking at the wiki regarding griefing, we are told:

"Griefing in Ashes of Creation is defined as impacting another player's gameplay in a negative and harassing and repetitive manner. It is something that is outside of the expectation of the gameplay behavior that is communicated in the design philosophy.[1]

When we think about 'what is griefing?' Griefing isn't necessarily the realization of risk. Risk is a healthy thing. Risk makes us value reward. Without risk we would not pursue certain achievements, because anybody could achieve them. Risk makes us have a sense of thrill, or have some sense of anxiety; and those are all emotional responses that get elicited when risk is present. So, risk isn't a bad thing. We like risk, not just in PvP but in PvE as well: when you can't always predict the environment or encounter you are part of, risk is something like 'Ah, I've never seen this boss do that before.' or these adds came at an ill-placed time, there's a trap here that I didn't experience before. There's a lot of elements that risk introduces that keep gameplay less stale; that keep it more dynamic; that introduce environments where the unexpected can occur. That is a good thing. Now the question is, when risk becomes something that doesn't stop other players from impacting your gameplay in a negative and harassing and repetitive manner. The motivation to do that action is less about their personal advancement and more about impacting your gameplay, because when they elicit the response of anger or rage from the player, they feel a sense of accomplishment. That in my opinion is what griefing is. It is outside of the expectation of the gameplay behavior that is communicated in the design philosophy.[1] – Steven Sharif

Players that work outside of the game design to grief or harass other players are actionable by customer services.[1]

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Songcaller

If the game design allows trains then there's no issue about trains.

novercalis

you answered it on the post

outside of the expectation of the gameplay behavior that is communicated in the design philosophy

highly unlike they designed NPC mobs for us to kill to be used to circumvent pvp/pk designs

Songcaller

There will be npc guards to circumvent the pk system though. I doubt a bot would even aggro a train if a train was sent for pain.

Depraved

Varkun wrote: »

If you knew that someone had just killed an obvious bot would you give them a pass, or chance to work off their corruption rather than outright killing them?

Recently returned to New World and their new start servers with some guild mates to kill time but the sheer number of bots really does put a dampener on the whole experience. Has it just become the norm with some people to just set up bots now days?

depends on my mood. but really if you gonna pk a bot, do it with an alt, or wear crappy gear

Tyranthraxus

Maybe a radial option, or a /reportBot command could be in-order?

Three such strikes/acknowledgement by an in-game CSR could then render such a Bot a Corruption-less kill.... Though I am wary of reporting-abuses, as New World certainly displayed as a weakness.

hleV

No. Even if reds couldn't drop gear, I wouldn't give them a free pass any moreso than to a purple player, because I just like to PvP. It'd all come down to whether I believe I can win: level/class difference, whether there's extra players around, etc..

The system blindly punishes any PK regardless of PK reason, but ignores any other kind of griefing. It's the system's fault, I'm not about to play a detective.

Strevi

All these things people call griefing I consider normal play rules.

Dolyem

I actually want to create a bot killing alliance on my server for players alts when they want to kill time and clean up the server

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