Is there enough 24/7 structured PvP available?

The only structured PvP that is not time restricted, not limited to server prime-time (castle & node sieges & related fights) and not occasional (caravans,) is Node Wars and Guild Wars. From the wiki: "These can be declared at any time, but the quest objectives will only spawn during server prime-time, but players can kill each other at any time during the war (not only during server prime-time)."

So to always have PvP available a player will need to be part of a constantly waring node and/or guild.

I have not mentioned Naval PvP because that is 'between ships' according to the wiki, although players can use ranged skills. Nor am I considering corruption as that is likely small scale roamers at best.

So to get as much of an open-world PvP fix as I do on the GW2 WvW maps, I need to join a constantly waring node and/or guild. Right/Wrong/Good/Bad?

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Songcaller

I think between all of the occasions there will be more pvp than one can partake in.

Ace1234

I thought, and am hoping, that is what arenas are for.

Arya_Yeshe

Ace1234 wrote: »

I thought, and am hoping, that is what arenas are for.

For sure the arena will suck, just like all arenas in all other games, I played as much arena as I could in every game I played.

When you finally learn about the meta game in every arena, then you come to the realization that the arenas are bad. Plus, if there are participation prizes this will be the doom of it.

Uboon

Neurath wrote: »

I think between all of the occasions there will be more pvp than one can partake in.

I am not so sure. Consider just Castle Sieges. There are 5 castles each with 3 castle nodes. One of the 3 castle nodes is sieged each week then the main castle on week 4. Sieges have a max 1000 players (ie 500v500) and last for 2 hours (wiki says only 1.5h but I am being generous). So that is 5,000 players per week or 10,000 hours of available server wide PvP time per week. If each server only has an absolute population of 10,000 (and there would be more to allow the server to fill up the 10,000 concurrent slots), then Castle Sieges alone would provide an average of 1 hour of PvP per week per player. How could it be more based on the figures in the wiki and my maths!? And in practice this would be less for many players as the defending guilds would be repeat attendees.

Even allowing for the Castle Siege NPC generated caravans carrying tax at weekends to one of each castle's nodes and the small, short duration objective-based battles around the main siege, the average hours per week of PvP would rise to only around 2.0h (this extra hour is guesswork sorry).

So 2 hours per week on average, gated by prime-time and weekends, and that is if I signup and attend every Castle Siege and related event.

Is there enough 24/7 structured PvP available?

Songcaller

I think sieges should be quite difficult to facilitate and I've heard node sieges have no participation limit (we'll see how long that lasts). I feel node wars and guild wars will be quite frequent though.

George_Black

You are phrasing it in a way that shows that you are conditioned to BGs.

It's an owpvp nmo, with real conflict of interests due to farming and leveling.
It doesnt need to provide you with an outlet for safe pvp.
What you call structuted, I call boring, predictable, pointless, lobbied team v team match.

Noaani

Trenker wrote: »

Is there enough 24/7 structured PvP available?

This very premise is false.

The very point of having structured PvP (or, one of them, at least) is so that it happens when people are likely to be online.

If you log on to your server at 3am server time, you simply should not be expecting any structured PvP at all.

Uboon

Neurath wrote: »

I think sieges should be quite difficult to facilitate and I've heard node sieges have no participation limit (we'll see how long that lasts). I feel node wars and guild wars will be quite frequent though.

Yeah I tried to run the maths on Node Sieges to get the hours of available server wide PvP time per week. But there are quite a few unknowns. Probably a lot more than Castle Sieges, but still time restricted, limited to server prime-time and occasional.

I agree and hope that Node and Guild Wars will be frequent, but that's up to us right! So to always have PvP available a player will need to be part of a constantly waring node and/or guild.

Songcaller

I feel a guild and node war will be 24/7 until objectives or an end happens. I also imagine they can escalate to a siege. I think taking out a guild hall might be prime time only but I feel wars can last a while.

Noaani

Neurath wrote: »

I feel a guild and node war will be 24/7 until objectives or an end happens. I also imagine they can escalate to a siege. I think taking out a guild hall might be prime time only but I feel wars can last a while.

Objectives will only spawn during prime time.

Songcaller

Yeah but I think you can kill the opposite side 24/7. It would be silly if the war only happens at prime time. Objectives are another matter because I don't know what objectives there will be.

Uboon

Noaani wrote: »

This very premise is false. The very point of having structured PvP (or, one of them, at least) is so that it happens when people are likely to be online. If you log on to your server at 3am server time, you simply should not be expecting any structured PvP at all.

Yes true, my use of the word 'structured' is misleading. I think I meant objective based PvP. My perspective is from open-world PvP as I experience on the GW2 WvW maps. There is always a camp, keep or castle to fight over, except at 3am perhaps. I am not referring to BGs (sorry to @George_Black for the confusion) as I do not like those much either.

So where do I find some 'objective based fights' when the structured Castle/Node Sieges are not ongoing? Not Caravans, but something always open for the casual or nonprime-time roamer / skirmisher?

Think of my question as, 'what will all the lovers of GW2 WvW do when they try AoC?' There is going to be a lot of down time as they search for objective based PvP groups to fight, compared to what they are used to.

Lash

Ashes is a PVX game. The main point of PvP is to facilitate world change. You are most likely going to have to do PvE content to fill time while waiting for big pvp events. There will be some more regular pvp events like caravans but you cannot do pvp exclusively and expect to progress your character significantly

Songcaller

Become a BH and get random calls to action lol.

Uboon

Lashing wrote: »

Ashes is a PVX game. The main point of PvP is to facilitate world change. You are most likely going to have to do PvE content to fill time while waiting for big pvp events. There will be some more regular pvp events like caravans but you cannot do pvp exclusively and expect to progress your character significantly

You're probably right. I think I can adjust to that. But having roamed GW2 WvW these last few years it may take some adjustment on my side. I'd like there to be a bunch of towers or little forts in AoC that anyone can fight over any time really, as a distraction or for that PvP skirmishy fix.

Noaani

Trenker wrote: »

So where do I find some 'objective based fights' when the structured Castle/Node Sieges are not ongoing?

Again, in Ashes, you dont.

Objective based PvP in most games (including GW2) doesnt actually matter. The rest of the game will carry on without it just fine.

In Ashes, objective based PvP matters (this is the actual point of it). Players stand to lose homes cities and castles from it.

As such, developers dont want to leave the window open for one guild to organize beforehand to log in at some specific non-prime time point and decimate a rival node or guild.

As such, all objective based PvP happens in the prime time window.

Songcaller

Noaani wrote: »

Trenker wrote: »

So where do I find some 'objective based fights' when the structured Castle/Node Sieges are not ongoing?

Again, in Ashes, you dont.

Objective based PvP in most games (including GW2) doesnt actually matter. The rest of the game will carry on without it just fine.

In Ashes, objective based PvP matters (this is the actual point of it). Players stand to lose homes cities and castles from it.

As such, developers dont want to leave the window open for one guild to organize beforehand to log in at some specific non-prime time point and decimate a rival node or guild.

As such, all objective based PvP happens in the prime time window.

Players can kill each other at any time during the war (not only during server prime-time).[3]

There will be decimation - it will just be unofficial lol.

Arya_Yeshe

Neurath wrote: »

Become a BH and get random calls to action lol.

You wish

I wonder if people will PK at all.

Songcaller

People will player kill at least once. Anything more will take actual dedication and its the dedicated I love to fight.

Uboon

Thanks for your feedback folks. I feel somewhat soothed and look forward to the pace and meaningfulness of Terra.

But you know, I am still left desiring some towers or little forts to mindlessly squabble over, any time of the day or night.

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