Will it pay to harvest the harvesters?

Rather than spending time harvesting, will it pay to instead, flag for PVP and harvest a few harvesters?

I'd think if I can easily clear any corruption received, that rather than spend hours gathering, say lumber,
that I could spend 10 minutes harvesting a few gatherers who have spent those hours gathering timber.

In other words, will harvesters need to be watching over their shoulders or gathering with a team, or
unloading often, so that they don't lose a significant amount of their work?

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Noaani

Generally no, but sometimes yes.

Player inventories are going to be fairly small. It is unlikely to be worth it for players to gain corruption just to take a percentage (you do not take all they have on them) of one inventory worth of raw materials.

If a player has a pack mule full of material though, it may be worth it.

The above is basically speculation based on the fact that Intrepid need to balance corruption in Ashes to the point where it is sometimes considered worth it, but not to the point where the game will just be a gank box.

The above is likely to be about the aim Intrepid have for balance.

Okeydoke

Not really no, and I don't think that was ever the goal of the pvp systems in the game. In the full loot, fully unrestricted/no consequences, pvp games that I've played, it's a lot easier said than done to solely "harvest the harvesters" without ever needing to do any harvesting yourself.

So you can imagine in Ashes, with all of it's restrictions and penalties, it will not really be possible. As of right now, it will barely happen at all. And that's straight from the CEO's mouth, in so many words. Still a lot of testing that needs to be done though.

The answer will probably evolve through testing and even post launch. But no I wouldn't expect that to be the case ever. Except for maybe on the lawless open seas, depending on how important the resources are that can be found there.

Depraved

zapper wrote: »

Rather than spending time harvesting, will it pay to instead, flag for PVP and harvest a few harvesters?

I'd think if I can easily clear any corruption received, that rather than spend hours gathering, say lumber,
that I could spend 10 minutes harvesting a few gatherers who have spent those hours gathering timber.

In other words, will harvesters need to be watching over their shoulders or gathering with a team, or
unloading often, so that they don't lose a significant amount of their work?

you can expect people to try to fight others with the intention of making them flag and killing them to get mats, but becoming corrupted for some mats? probs not, unless u wanna risk it cuz someone just looted a super rare mat.

you can expect groups to have 1 player or alt go corrupted while the greens pick up the dropped loot, maybe in some areas of the game.

you can also expect people to try to get gatherers killed by mobs, but this should easily be avoidable for the most part.

tautau

Keep in mind that just because someone is harvesting that does not mean that they are a pushover. They will often fight back. When they do, sometimes they will kill YOU and you will be one dropping your stuff. Sometimes they will be stronger and a better fighter than you are, sometimes they will have nearby friends you didn't spot, etc. So you may win half the time and you may lose half the time. Sometimes you will go red and their friends will catch you and you will drop a lot, possibly including your gear.

Go ahead and try it, OP, and see how it works out.

Kilion

Only if you are at war with another Node as this circumstances will cause the two of you both to be flagged for PvP to one another.

Still, even without any supporting systems for robbery, players with big amounts of harvested materials will have to be careful, as the amount of resources that one could loot from a fully stacked player could be enough to entice risk loving players, especially if there are means nearby that allow the cleansing of corruption.

Taleof2Cities

Noaani wrote: »

Generally no, but sometimes yes.

If a player has a pack mule full of material though, it may be worth it.

I don't often agree with Noaani, but this is the correct answer.

George_Black

People will harvest you for your armor and weapons.

Gospell1

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Generally no, but sometimes yes.

If a player has a pack mule full of material though, it may be worth it.

I don't often agree with Noaani, but this is the correct answer.

By the way, me too

BaSkA_9x2

Yes, no, always, never: it depends exclusively on your mentality/playstyle.

It's worth to flag to attack farmers, it's fun.
It's not worth to flag to attack farmers, it's boring.

It also depends on how the game works which nobody really knows yet, because things that were announce during Kickstarter have been changed, so no one really knows how many changes have also been made regarding PvP and % of loot on death.

Maybe most people will fight back so they lose less resources, get a free TP but you don't become corrupted. Maybe most people won't fight back so you get corrupted even though they lose more resources. Alpha 2 might or might not help test this, so just wait and see.

Veeshan

depends if ur at war with them then u can farm them all day for small amounts of goodies, otr u might get a loot pinata cause he farmed without banking for so long :P
otherwise u cant kill to many greens without going red which is bad.

Arya_Yeshe

zapper wrote: »

Rather than spending time harvesting, will it pay to instead, flag for PVP and harvest a few harvesters?

I'd think if I can easily clear any corruption received, that rather than spend hours gathering, say lumber,
that I could spend 10 minutes harvesting a few gatherers who have spent those hours gathering timber.

In other words, will harvesters need to be watching over their shoulders or gathering with a team, or
unloading often, so that they don't lose a significant amount of their work?

Well, for sure it will be faster if you jackpot the right gatherer.

But this game is not about PvP, it is about a magical dynamic world, so your gank actions will go against the dynamic world of Verra. The dynamic world of Verra is the star in the game, not the PvP.

You better talk to your mayor and start a node war, so all your people can go for roams in the enemy node and farm their harvesters.

Hinotori

I think that while people will certainly do this in the beginning the social aspect of Ashes will curb any harvester farming once nodes become established and it will become less a random occurrence and used more as a war tactic on people of hostile nodes.

Arya_Yeshe

Natasha wrote: »

I think that while people will certainly do this in the beginning the social aspect of Ashes will curb any harvester farming once nodes become established and it will become less a random occurrence and used more as a war tactic on people of hostile nodes.

Yes, ganking the gatheres through wars will make corruption obsolete

Sathrago

If you want to "harvest the harvesters" You will want to learn how to sail a boat. No joking, this is the best place to do it. Catching people transporting materials between islands or to/from the mainland will be the best, but you could probably also make a sport out of hunting down fishers and other gatherers diving into the sea or searching the islands for rare materials.

Arya_Yeshe

Sathrago wrote: »

If you want to "harvest the harvesters" You will want to learn how to sail a boat. No joking, this is the best place to do it. Catching people transporting materials between islands or to/from the mainland will be the best, but you could probably also make a sport out of hunting down fishers and other gatherers diving into the sea or searching the island for rare materials.

Living by a choke point or by a pipe route (one way in, one way out) is like having a pond of infinite fish

Okeydoke

Kilion wrote: »

Only if you are at war with another Node as this circumstances will cause the two of you both to be flagged for PvP to one another.

Veeshan wrote: »

depends if ur at war with them then u can farm them all day for small amounts of goodies

There is no loot drop from kills during guild and node wars. There are no death penalties at all. This was recently confirmed in the live stream before last.

Arya_Yeshe

Okeydoke wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

Only if you are at war with another Node as this circumstances will cause the two of you both to be flagged for PvP to one another.

Veeshan wrote: »

depends if ur at war with them then u can farm them all day for small amounts of goodies

There is no loot drop from kills during guild and node wars. There are no death penalties at all. This was recently confirmed in the live stream before last.

But they say "pvp events", I don't think this includes fights in the middle of the woods with no events going on even when there is an active war going on

Okeydoke

"Death penalties do not apply to objective-based events (such as caravans, guild wars, and node sieges).[6]"

Death penalties is clickable, where you can see what the definition of death penalties is.

The wiki where that is located. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Guild_wars

The livestream where it was answered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FxHjg0YgiM

Around the 1 hour and 30 minute mark.

We are desperately in need of a more pvp focused content creator to keep people up to date about what's happening to the game.

Arya_Yeshe

Okeydoke wrote: »

We are desperately in need of a more pvp focused content creator to keep people up to date about what's happening to the game.

Now I see it, Steven included the guild wars entirely.... shit!
This is REALLY BAD! Why even have a war then? Fuck this

Well, like I said in recent threads, AoC is not about PvP...this game is not about the love for PvP, the PvP in this game only serves the purpose of serving Verra's dynamic world

This is why there's some weird PvP decisions in AoC... PvP is there just a means for Verra to unfold it's dynamic world... Verra is the star under the spotlight and PvP is not

Azherae

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Okeydoke wrote: »

We are desperately in need of a more pvp focused content creator to keep people up to date about what's happening to the game.

Now I see it, Steven included the guild wars entirely.... shit!
This is REALLY BAD! Why even have a war then? Fuck this

Well, like I said in recent threads, AoC is not about PvP...this game is not about the love for PvP, the PvP in this game only serves the purpose of serving Verra's dynamic world

This is why there's some weird PvP decisions in AoC... PvP is there just a means for Verra to unfold it's dynamic world... Verra is the star under the spotlight and PvP is not

I still think they can make it work, but... honestly, your new perspective probably IS the best one to have if one is coming into this game looking for a specific experience.

I don't think we can say it's 'really bad' though, even if some of us don't like it or feel as though it makes 'sense' because 'sense' in this case is as you noted.

In the end, we mostly just need to hope it works, and works better than AA2.

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