Safety in the node

List of questions ok, I will say city instead of node because it makes easier for me, since when I say city I am specifically asking about the inner area of the node, I am excluding the influence zone in this case.

1. Since the sea is an automatic purple area what kind of area the city, is it an automatic green?

2. Can the city have purple people and so purple on purple fights?

3. If there is purple inside the city, can purple attack green?

4. What happens if there is a guild war and enemies meet each other inside the city and both are green and what happens if both green outside the city? Will fights happen without the need of setting to purple? I think it should happen as green, since I want to fight my enemy and not aggro random purple players to my fight

5. Can a red player walk into the city and attack people, I saw that there will be NPC guards, will the NPC guards insta kill players or they will offer long fights? Will these guards run around or magically insta kill people, like a miracle.

6. Can people kill NPC guards?

7. Can mobs kill NPC guards?

8. Can people pull a train of mobs and bring into the city? I hope so, in WoW this is a blast

Sorry the questions about the small details, but the small details were not found in the wiki.
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Ludullu

Yes, pvp can happen in the city. Everything related to pvp applies. We don't have any real info about the guards. Doubt we'll get a mob train into the city, but we'll have mob events that will attack it on their own.

I think that covers all the questions.

Hinotori

In guild wars both adversarial guilds are set to purple against eachother automatically so in the centre of a city you can just attack eachother.

Caww

Terrifying_Truth wrote: »

8. Can people pull a train of mobs and bring into the city? I hope so, in WoW this is a blast

also thought of as griefing.... so no thank you to snot-nosed kids that get their kicks from this behavior...

unknownsystemerror

1. People are "automatically green" by default cept on the open sea and certain pvp based areas on land. Node settlements are not considered pvp zones atm.
2. Yes, you can flag on others inside a city. Whether they fight back is up to them. Killing them would corrupt you, see later answer on guard response.
3. Yes
4. Node citizenship trumps other affiliations. More info on flagging states in a guild war is needed and if certain areas will be considered safe. Latest info points to no. If you are flagged purple towards a specific guild for a war, most likely you will always be purple (to opposing guild or node) during the duration of the conflict.
5. NPC guards will kill corrupted players on sight.[2] Wiki
6. Probably but extremely difficult solo. They will be considered "elite" mobs during sieges, but not unkillable. We have yet to see them inside a node settlement in action, but you can bet they won't be a pushover.
7. Probably not except in the case of monster coin or other node attack events.
8. Mobs are meant to have leash ranges. Shenanigans from earlier mmos where people spent time and effort dragging world bosses to grief towns and kill underlevel or afk players most likely would be unintended and corrected quickly.

akabear

I think being within the city walls should be a safe haven, or at the very minimum a safe haven for those that reside there.

Songcaller

It doesn't make sense to have a safe haven inside walls. Walls won't exist at first and I feel a camp would be a cutthroat domain. It would be different if we had metros prebuilt.

Arya_Yeshe

I don't think the op was looking for safety at all, those questions are very into details, almost technical

It is a bit concerning to me that people don't know the answers, it is 2023 already, those things are really important in the everyday gameplay

Kilion

The best context source I could find was the Wiki topic "Safe Zones"

Generally speaking:
Since Steven dared to basically put a timer counter on Alpha 2 along these lines "No, Alpha 2 is not years away." (so less than 24 months) and we know that Alpha 2 will test the Node structure, I think it is reasonable to assume that we will get a livestream on Nodes somewhere towards the end of the year or early 2024 - basically by the time the initial tests for A2 are supposed start at Intrepid [for the most up to date information we have on Alpha 2 see the recent Q&A Livestream].

On the topic:
Going with the overall design philosophy of risk-reward and the faction based PvP, there is reason to argue that cities aren't safe zones. One thing I have noticed is that the matter of in-node PvP has never been mentioned. This to me means that it is a matter not publicly addressed so far, not being considered until now or that it means that Nodes aren't considered special in that regard - meaning the general rules of faction based PvP apply. Going further - since factions are a primary factor by which we choose who to give a beating, there is basically no reason for us to assume that guards wouldn't act by these same rules.

Let me quickly explain the consequences - if my assumption is correct: Killing someone in PvP will be possible in Nodes but as in all other cases it will decrease your reputation with all the factions that player is associated with [here a list of affiliations a player can have]. If the reputation with a Node falls far enough all NPCs and players associated with that Node through citizenship will be hostile towards you, meaning you are always flagged for PvP for each other

I could imagine that a mayor might be able to establish policies that order guards to break off fights and maybe kick participants of a brawl out of the city - basically lowering their health to something like 10% and then literally drag them out of the city walls. This is a mechanic that we already know to exist, where mobs can take injured players hostage, so it is not something that Intrepid has to invent specifically for "city brawls" [source: The Goblin Slaver - "[...] these slavers have a particular type of interaction mechanic, where instead of killing the player, they can subdue the player drag them to a cage [...]"].

As for corrupt players, they cannot use many of the cities amenities anyways and they can be attacked by anyone at any time so walking into a city might be so much of a risk that they won't ever take it.

Conclusion
I think the answer as often times is: We don't know in particular, but it will probably end up being up to us to decide to a certain degree.

Terrifying_Truth

NiKr wrote: »

Yes, pvp can happen in the city. Everything related to pvp applies. We don't have any real info about the guards. Doubt we'll get a mob train into the city, but we'll have mob events that will attack it on their own.

I think that covers all the questions.

how the pvp unfolds is the typf of learning i am aiming for, so i can know how to pull myself in and out of it when i think it is the appropriate time for it

Terrifying_Truth

Natasha wrote: »

In guild wars both adversarial guilds are set to purple against eachother automatically so in the centre of a city you can just attack eachother.

i don't think this will happen because if you are set to purple then random people can attack you, maybe intrepid will let greens at war attack each other freely with the green flag

that's a cute imagine!

Terrifying_Truth

Caww wrote: »

Terrifying_Truth wrote: »

8. Can people pull a train of mobs and bring into the city? I hope so, in WoW this is a blast

also thought of as griefing.... so no thank you to snot-nosed kids that get their kicks from this behavior...

i don't think perfectly balanced games, with perfectly predictable outcomes, perfectly regulated areas are fun
i did not like phantasy star online at all, it was just grinds and no freedom

a bit of insanity is important in a game, people gotta loosen up a bit sometimes

Terrifying_Truth

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

1. People are "automatically green" by default cept on the open sea and certain pvp based areas on land. Node settlements are not considered pvp zones atm.
2. Yes, you can flag on others inside a city. Whether they fight back is up to them. Killing them would corrupt you, see later answer on guard response.
3. Yes
4. Node citizenship trumps other affiliations. More info on flagging states in a guild war is needed and if certain areas will be considered safe. Latest info points to no. If you are flagged purple towards a specific guild for a war, most likely you will always be purple (to opposing guild or node) during the duration of the conflict.
5. NPC guards will kill corrupted players on sight.[2] Wiki
6. Probably but extremely difficult solo. They will be considered "elite" mobs during sieges, but not unkillable. We have yet to see them inside a node settlement in action, but you can bet they won't be a pushover.
7. Probably not except in the case of monster coin or other node attack events.
8. Mobs are meant to have leash ranges. Shenanigans from earlier mmos where people spent time and effort dragging world bosses to grief towns and kill underlevel or afk players most likely would be unintended and corrected quickly.

that's the kind of answer i was hoping for, thanks

Terrifying_Truth

akabear wrote: »

I think being within the city walls should be a safe haven, or at the very minimum a safe haven for those that reside there.

i hope not, i think the cities should keep everything the open world pvp has, but make the area an automatic green area if you enter the city while not being in combat

if a player is not in combat and walk into the city, i think he shoud be set to green automatically, letting people go back to purple with they wish to

people at war should be able to fight as greens anywhere they go

Terrifying_Truth

Neurath wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to have a safe haven inside walls. Walls won't exist at first and I feel a camp would be a cutthroat domain. It would be different if we had metros prebuilt.

people shouldn't be safe, maybe i picked the wrong word for the thread subject

Terrifying_Truth

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

I don't think the op was looking for safety at all, those questions are very into details, almost technical

It is a bit concerning to me that people don't know the answers, it is 2023 already, those things are really important in the everyday gameplay

yes, i think the small details about the systems when concerning to the rules should be in the wiki, i was trying to put together in my head how i will survive, but i didn't find the rules explained in the wiki

Ludullu

Terrifying_Truth wrote: »

i don't think this will happen because if you are set to purple then random people can attack you, maybe intrepid will let greens at war attack each other freely with the green flag

That's why Natasha said "against each other". We also don't know if they'll go purple once they do attack their war enemies. I assume they will, because this is just yet another part of the L2 system they copied.

And yes, others will be able to hit you, but that's the risk you take when you flag up.

Terrifying_Truth

Kilion wrote: »

The best context source I could find was the Wiki topic "Safe Zones"

Generally speaking:
Since Steven dared to basically put a timer counter on Alpha 2 along these lines "No, Alpha 2 is not years away." (so less than 24 months) and we know that Alpha 2 will test the Node structure, I think it is reasonable to assume that we will get a livestream on Nodes somewhere towards the end of the year or early 2024 - basically by the time the initial tests for A2 are supposed start at Intrepid [for the most up to date information we have on Alpha 2 see the recent Q&A Livestream].

On the topic:
Going with the overall design philosophy of risk-reward and the faction based PvP, there is reason to argue that cities aren't safe zones. One thing I have noticed is that the matter of in-node PvP has never been mentioned. This to me means that it is a matter not publicly addressed so far, not being considered until now or that it means that Nodes aren't considered special in that regard - meaning the general rules of faction based PvP apply. Going further - since factions are a primary factor by which we choose who to give a beating, there is basically no reason for us to assume that guards wouldn't act by these same rules.

Let me quickly explain the consequences - if my assumption is correct: Killing someone in PvP will be possible in Nodes but as in all other cases it will decrease your reputation with all the factions that player is associated with [here a list of affiliations a player can have]. If the reputation with a Node falls far enough all NPCs and players associated with that Node through citizenship will be hostile towards you, meaning you are always flagged for PvP for each other

I could imagine that a mayor might be able to establish policies that order guards to break off fights and maybe kick participants of a brawl out of the city - basically lowering their health to something like 10% and then literally drag them out of the city walls. This is a mechanic that we already know to exist, where mobs can take injured players hostage, so it is not something that Intrepid has to invent specifically for "city brawls" [source: The Goblin Slaver - "[...] these slavers have a particular type of interaction mechanic, where instead of killing the player, they can subdue the player drag them to a cage [...]"].

As for corrupt players, they cannot use many of the cities amenities anyways and they can be attacked by anyone at any time so walking into a city might be so much of a risk that they won't ever take it.

Conclusion
I think the answer as often times is: We don't know in particular, but it will probably end up being up to us to decide to a certain degree.

Yes, i wasn't really looking for total safety, i was looking for the rules so i won't be ambushed and die like a noob

tautau

Were someone to start PvP in a city - particularly against a known citizen of that city - we could expect these outcomes:

1) Defender might win, no problem
2) The other citizens jump to the aid of the attacked citizen and kill the attacker, no problem
3) The attacker wins
4) The attacked citizen/player does not fight back, attacker stops attacking
5) The attacked citizen/player does not fight back, attacker kills defender and goes red. Which leads to either:
5a) Other people in town see the red and kill him, and he drops stuff, or
5b) Red is now trapped in town and cannot leave because guards at gates will kill him. If guards kill him, he drops stuff and next person who wanders by gets it. If he stays away from guards, see 5a.

So, I will suggest that attacking someone in town will almost always result in a bad outcome for the attacker.

MMOAddict

if you kill an afk player in the city you get corruption and prob an instant death afterwards

Songcaller

There won't be many afk activities in Ashes so I don't believe stumbling on afk players to kill will be all too common.

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