Freeholds should be instanced

I think freeholds should be instanced because the way they talk about it makes it seem like it is very limited and ultimately game breaking.

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Sathrago

Kravell wrote: »

I think freeholds should be instanced because the way they talk about it makes it seem like it is very limited and ultimately game breaking.

If you can grant access to players outside of your family to use freeholds then the current plans are perfectly fine.

Go make friends.

Songcaller

Would be like a loot piñata. Destroy one freehold and get 99 free.

Kilion

I don't see how freeholds would be game breaking at all. They have benefits that come with sacrifices.
Additionally we are still in the Alpha phase which is hugely important as these systems are not set in stone and will be put to test extensively. There is no need to change them now unless one is concerned with Intrepid being utterly incapable of understanding the consequences of their design decisions.

For now, I think it is best to wait for the Alpha somewhere around next year and then see if things are truly in dire needs of adjustment. And even if they were: How would an instance barrier change any of the issues? Limitation is not bad (just like the ability to siege and destroy a node is not "bad") it is part of the deliberate designed ways to induce change.

Veeshan

There fine as they are imo there high as risks and reward seem it could be potential equal to the risk.

If they were to add more freehold it would diminish the value of owning one to the point of not being worth the risk

LegendaryIII

How does this work within the Siege System? The one showing gets looted, the rest are safe?

There's instanced apartments already.
There's the Family system as well.
If you must have a player "house", there's Pax Dei

Veeshan

The only freehold instancing i would accept tbh in AoC would be a dimensional door that attatches to an appartment you own and that take you to a pocket dimension where your housing is a freehold plot without farming/crafting element. basicly just converts your inside appartment into a larger dimension that like a freehold (Could have different doors for scenery) for more housing wise however it cosmetic and doesnt have funtion exclusive to Freeholds

This is just for those who want to play around/live in a freehold without the processing/fasrming mechanics since that would diminish the value of the actual freeholds

Noaani

As potentially the most argumentative person on these forums in regards to how the current freehold system doesn't really work, I am equally as opposed to this suggestion.

Freeholds should be limited, but attainable.

The current system isn't attainable enough for enough of the potential population, but making them instanced removes the limited aspect.

I mean, they could obviously just limit the number of instances available, but then why instance them at all at that point?

PherPhur

Kravell wrote: »

I think freeholds should be instanced because the way they talk about it makes it seem like it is very limited and ultimately game breaking.

They're limited on purpose.

Sieges are absolutely required for AoC to be properly successful. With how much the majority of the MMO community absolutely despites PvP with the burning passion of a thousand suns, and due to the price of a siege declaration, limited freeholds are going to be one of the only incentives to siege.

Also.. please God no... keep instancing and sharding as far away from this game as possible, in all ways shapes and forms.

Veeshan

Noaani wrote: »

As potentially the most argumentative person on these forums in regards to how the current freehold system doesn't really work, I am equally as opposed to this suggestion.

Freeholds should be limited, but attainable.

The current system isn't attainable enough for enough of the potential population, but making them instanced removes the limited aspect.

I mean, they could obviously just limit the number of instances available, but then why instance them at all at that point?

i disagree with you with the attainability i think there attainable for majority of player who would want and use them properly

Noaani

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

As potentially the most argumentative person on these forums in regards to how the current freehold system doesn't really work, I am equally as opposed to this suggestion.

Freeholds should be limited, but attainable.

The current system isn't attainable enough for enough of the potential population, but making them instanced removes the limited aspect.

I mean, they could obviously just limit the number of instances available, but then why instance them at all at that point?

i disagree with you with the attainability i think there attainable for majority of player who would want and use them properly

Name one limited thing in any competitive MMO where solo players were able to get a thing that guilds wanted - before guilds got as many as they wanted.

As far as I can see, the answer to that is a simple "that has never happened".

If guilds want a thing, they will get the thing before solo players. With how limited freeholds now are, guilds will want more than is available on any given server.

Liniker

I disagree they should be limited, I don't currently see any issues with what intrepid presented but again, no one here has tested the system so its all baseless speculation

NyceGaming

Kravell wrote: »

I think freeholds should be instanced because the way they talk about it makes it seem like it is very limited and ultimately game breaking.

I highly and respectfully disagree with this. Freeholds being non instanced based and apart of an open world affected by players is what gives them their allure and uniqueness. That’s just player housing at that point which by the way you still have and it’s instances based. Yes freeholds will be limited, but that’s what makes them great. Everyone won’t get this trophy but eventually your time will come with enough dedication. Don’t fall victim to fomo, just set your mind to getting a freehold.

lemulet

I like the idea of a freehold owner setting up an appartment building on his plot, allowing for instanced housing for other players. He could get the taxes and at the same time help get more citizens for the mayor votes and such.

But freehold being part of the open world is what make them special. Just minding your own business before a whole raid just trample of you, forcing you to hide in your house for a while.

Mag7spy

Also disagree people made great points above, this is one of those suggestions that turn mmorpgs into a single player game. The focus as they are doing is PvX, and it is all in relation to that.

superhero6785

If everyone could get a freehold, that would defeat the purpose of the economy they are building. Freeholds are limited, and they are also the only way to achieve Master & Grandmaster Processing. This means you will HAVE to trade and Caravan resources between Nodes and Freeholds, and work with other players to achieve your goals.

The designed "friction" this creates is that if someone is holding a plot of land "hostage" and not utilizing it to it's fullest to the benefit of the Node, other players will have to either work with the land owner or turn against the Node and overthrow it, destroy the freeholds and start over under new management.

The game is designed with diplomacy, player driven economy, pvp friction, and an ever changing world. The more you make the game "instanced", and the more you make every part of the game available to all players at all times, the more separation you create between players. They have been very clear that it will not be a game for everyone.

Veeshan

Noaani wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

As potentially the most argumentative person on these forums in regards to how the current freehold system doesn't really work, I am equally as opposed to this suggestion.

Freeholds should be limited, but attainable.

The current system isn't attainable enough for enough of the potential population, but making them instanced removes the limited aspect.

I mean, they could obviously just limit the number of instances available, but then why instance them at all at that point?

i disagree with you with the attainability i think there attainable for majority of player who would want and use them properly

Name one limited thing in any competitive MMO where solo players were able to get a thing that guilds wanted - before guilds got as many as they wanted.

As far as I can see, the answer to that is a simple "that has never happened".

If guilds want a thing, they will get the thing before solo players. With how limited freeholds now are, guilds will want more than is available on any given server.

if 20 killing mobs to get something compared 1 person killing thing to get thing generaly 20 people will get 20 times the item than the 1 person i feel common maths here?

but thats unrelated to my statment because there are levels of desirability these major guild if they want to be relevant in the big scheme of things there desired location for freeholds will be the T6 and T5 nodes this is where the majority of competition will be on freehold and due to the nature of the game of no fast travel they want to have there freehold around where the guild want to call home base so any of the node far away from these T5/T6 node are less likely to have guilds going after them, so these less desirable location will geneneraly be for the taking for the solo players (Despite the solo player never gonna get it high enough relevance due to being designed for 8 people) but still i digress. Your assumption is that the population gonna spread out equally across the map and everything be snapped up by major guild however generaly a server will get a handful of major guilds and they generaly settle around high rank nodes leaving much of the out of the way places unmolested by there pressence. Thats how it goes in almost all territory MMO's ive played like darkfall for example which is very akin to AoC but was very crude implementation compared to AoC (Darkfall even had open world housing called villages) and major guilds didnt snap them all up quite a few were no named players/guilds who owned them when they were not located in key spots for a guild

Veeshan

Liniker wrote: »

I disagree they should be limited, I don't currently see any issues with what intrepid presented but again, no one here has tested the system so its all baseless speculation

yep if everyone has one they kinda become worthless and irrelevant for what they were designed to do

Swifty00

I think it is important to understand a few things that are different before people get bent out of shape about freeholds.

1. Guilds are going to be different. They are going to be smaller and not the primary groping for PvP. Belonging to a node, and being a citizen is the main PvP "faction". Guilds are a sub-division of a node.

3. 85-100 nodes, 50,000 accounts / server, means that less than 20% of players will be able to own a freehold, and it is likely that they will need constant maintenance and will come at a cost in time and in-game money.

3. Freeholds are not the only form of player housing. There is in node housing that will be more suited to crafting professions over gathering and processing professions, and instanced apartments that will suit people that don't like professions and take gathering to just earn more cash.

Honestly, I think MMOs have become too much of a one-size-fits-all deal. My hope is that in order to own a freehold, you have to enjoy games such as Animal Crossing at least a bit. If you are more of a "Lost Souls" type, just leave Freeholds alone. Own a Castle with your guild, or become mayor of a military node. Buy a ship, and use that as your home.

I really hope that this is a throwback to old style MMOs where you don't have to be able to do everything in the game in one run-through.

Mag7spy

Swifty00 wrote: »

I think it is important to understand a few things that are different before people get bent out of shape about freeholds.

1. Guilds are going to be different. They are going to be smaller and not the primary groping for PvP. Belonging to a node, and being a citizen is the main PvP "faction". Guilds are a sub-division of a node.

3. 85-100 nodes, 50,000 accounts / server, means that less than 20% of players will be able to own a freehold, and it is likely that they will need constant maintenance and will come at a cost in time and in-game money.

3. Freeholds are not the only form of player housing. There is in node housing that will be more suited to crafting professions over gathering and processing professions, and instanced apartments that will suit people that don't like professions and take gathering to just earn more cash.

Honestly, I think MMOs have become too much of a one-size-fits-all deal. My hope is that in order to own a freehold, you have to enjoy games such as Animal Crossing at least a bit. If you are more of a "Lost Souls" type, just leave Freeholds alone. Own a Castle with your guild, or become mayor of a military node. Buy a ship, and use that as your home.

I really hope that this is a throwback to old style MMOs where you don't have to be able to do everything in the game in one run-through.

They are making it so you can't do everything, you would need multiple characters.

Solvryn

Kravell wrote: »

I think freeholds should be instanced because the way they talk about it makes it seem like it is very limited and ultimately game breaking.

I think hyperbole will not help your case.

If you are unsatisfied with the current acquisition method simply do not play.

Not playing Ashes is a very loud signal that will be heard and received, things will change.

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