Should most players simply avoid all processing artisan paths?

I mean if freeholds are an exclusive feature that only will be accessible for a tiny percentage of the player base, I think it would be pointless for a casual player or a player who simply has little game time to even attempt to begin on the processing artisan paths at all.... I mean why even bother if you are going to hit a dead end eventually? Is not like crafting because if you need T-5 ingredients you can simply save up money to eventually buy it, or organizing with a group to attempt the World boss that drops that item...that's something everyone can do...of course hardcore players would have it easier but a casual players with time a patience will get there eventually too.

But again because the Freeholds are such an exclusive commodity is fair to assume all freeholds will be owned at all times by the sweatiest nerds on the server who can afford to play 12h a day which allows them to outbid anyone who dares to attempt to get a freehold, basically keeping everybody else literally unable to access T5-6 processing stations.

No amount of time or dedication will allow a gamer dad with 5 wives and 10 dogs to outbid someone who simply has more play time than him.

So considering the system as we can see it right now, if you know you only will be able to play on weekends, or a couple hours per day, is there even a point on starting on the processing artisan paths at all?

I mean sure, you can get T1 to T4 items which is nice, but eventually you will hit max level and will need T5, T6 gear to play endgame content so being able to make those low tier items wont get you any further on your artisan path. Not to mention all those feelbad moments of "hey I got this ultra rare drop from this endgame boss...but I don't have a freehold so I can't make anything with it even though I decided to dedicate myself to an artisan path that uses this kind of items, I guess I'll sell it or whatever". At this point you are no longer an artisan because the content you will do won't give you anything to progress on your artisan path.

But yeah, unless something changes I think the best strategy for most players would be to avoid all processing paths and focus on crafting/ gathering since those would allow you to reach the endgame without being limited for not being part of the 10% of the population that can get a freehold.

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

Depraved

the gamer dad with 5 wives isnt gonna get most things in games where there is competition

Electronn

Yes.

Also, once we learn more about mastering top-tier Gathering and Crafting, I wouldn't be surprised if those are initially designed with similarly exclusive systems and gating mechanisms. Wait for it.

Depraved

mcnasty wrote: »

Yes.

Also, once we learn more about mastering top-tier Gathering and Crafting, I wouldn't be surprised if those are initially designed with similarly exclusive systems and gating mechanisms. Wait for it.

oh you didnt know you wont be able to gather everything because you will have to beat people in pvp to gather rare spawns?

Vyril

I think T1 -T3 will be income streams for any gather/processor. So you can later buy finished goods.

Ludullu

As Depraved said, all professions will be pretty much blocked from casuals at top lvls. You'll have to pvp for gathering, you'll have to (most likely) live in a science metro to craft top stuff (that is if you ever even see mats required for it) and you need the FH to be able to process shit at top lvl.

This has been the case since the very start, purely due to the nature of owpvp games. Even if we didn't need a FH or a science metro to do those things - top lvl gathering will be blocked off by hardcore people, so you wouldn't even have the mats to do processing or crafting.

But unless that casual's ambitions are so damn high that they believe they can participate in a farm of the top lvl dragon and that they can then even get any loot from it - that casual should still play the game.

Hardcore people will be preoccupied with their pvp, hard pve and constant threats to their infrastructure that will come from other hardcore players. They would probably not have the time to gather or process or craft the thousands of low tier resources that you'll need to use in the top lvl crating chain.

Casuals can still enjoy the process itself and gain the profits relative to the work they put into their artisanry. If you desire anything more than that while being a casual - well, you're fucked.

George_Black

I was going to ignore the crafters path because I didnt care to spend my time locked up in a freehold crafting. Plus I do that inrl with real tools. I was going to be a gatherer.

But now that FHs are something difficult to achieve at the end of the adventure, directly tied to owpvp xp, fighting, looting to see who will reach the top faster, now that FHs are going to be a family/group based objective, something the will make people work together in a building as as opposed to just RPing I will become a crafter instead of a gatherer

DrDefault

Depraved wrote: »

the gamer dad with 5 wives isnt gonna get most things in games where there is competition

Translation: I don’t have a full time job, a significant other, nor a higher education I’m pursuing. I sit at home all day and do nothing.

Ludullu

George_Black wrote: »

I was going to ignore the crafters path because I didnt care to spend my time locked up in a freehold crafting. Plus I do that inrl with real tools. I was going to be a gatherer.

But now that FHs are something difficult to achieve at the end of the adventure, directly tied to owpvp xp, fighting, looting to see who will reach the top faster, now that FHs are going to be a family/group based objective, something the will make people work together in a building as as opposed to just RPing I will become a crafter instead of a gatherer

You will be a processor, not a crafter

Fantmx

It is not exactly clear what the difference between tier three and master/grandmaster processing is. Can tier 3 processors make things that are still wanted at max levels? Do they make things that are used in master and grandmaster recipes? Are master and grandmasters just improving quantity and quality or do they get special recipes as well?

I think we can make assumptions but we really don't know yet.

If processing and by extension crafting is done well then you will most certainly still want to be a processor because it should still be able to turn a good profit even at a tier 3 level.

If processing and crafting offer nothing to the game world unless they are grandmaster level in my opinion that is a terrible design.

SirChancelot

Kionashi wrote: »

I mean if freeholds are an exclusive feature that only will be accessible for a tiny percentage of the player base, I think it would be pointless for a casual player or a player who simply has little game time to even attempt to begin on the processing artisan paths at all.... I mean why even bother if you are going to hit a dead end eventually? Is not like crafting because if you need T-5 ingredients you can simply save up money to eventually buy it, or organizing with a group to attempt the World boss that drops that item...that's something everyone can do...of course hardcore players would have it easier but a casual players with time a patience will get there eventually too.

But again because the Freeholds are such an exclusive commodity is fair to assume all freeholds will be owned at all times by the sweatiest nerds on the server who can afford to play 12h a day which allows them to outbid anyone who dares to attempt to get a freehold, basically keeping everybody else literally unable to access T5-6 processing stations.

No amount of time or dedication will allow a gamer dad with 5 wives and 10 dogs to outbid someone who simply has more play time than him.

So considering the system as we can see it right now, if you know you only will be able to play on weekends, or a couple hours per day, is there even a point on starting on the processing artisan paths at all?

I mean sure, you can get T1 to T4 items which is nice, but eventually you will hit max level and will need T5, T6 gear to play endgame content so being able to make those low tier items wont get you any further on your artisan path. Not to mention all those feelbad moments of "hey I got this ultra rare drop from this endgame boss...but I don't have a freehold so I can't make anything with it even though I decided to dedicate myself to an artisan path that uses this kind of items, I guess I'll sell it or whatever". At this point you are no longer an artisan because the content you will do won't give you anything to progress on your artisan path.

But yeah, unless something changes I think the best strategy for most players would be to avoid all processing paths and focus on crafting/ gathering since those would allow you to reach the endgame without being limited for not being part of the 10% of the population that can get a freehold.

That was kind of my thought process before the freehold video. Now I'm even more inclined to just go gathering instead of processing or crafting.

But I still have questions and want to see how some things shake out... Will animal husbandry be available in a meaningful way to players without a freehold? Or will it be useless. Are there still plans to have it tie into the summoner class in any way? If so it's going to be a huge shame that a class isn't able access a portion of their power because they aren't a no lifer.

Sathrago

The thing is, with their current intended design you will absolutely want players that are not processing max level materials. Who said that freeholds were the best for processing low to mid level materials? It might just be the case that they are where you can process the high level materials and dont give an advantage towards quality or quantity of low-to-mid level material production.

There needs to be more information, but regardless of if they are better at it, you will still have demand for those materials and the freeholds alone will not be able to keep up with that demand due to material cost on repair.

Korela

Correct me if I am wrong, but ~2k freeholds ("low thousands") * 9 players (family system) = ~18k players. Is it not enough? Or literally every carebear should own a freehold, dragon, castle and all BIS items?

Ludullu

Korela wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but ~2k freeholds ("low thousands") * 9 players (family system) = ~18k players. Is it not enough? Or literally every carebear should own a freehold, dragon, castle and all BIS items?

A big chunk of those will be controlled by guilds where a single family would control several FHs. It's not like all families will just have a single FH amongst them and that's that.

Boneshatter

Korela wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but ~2k freeholds ("low thousands") * 9 players (family system) = ~18k players. Is it not enough? Or literally every carebear should own a freehold, dragon, castle and all BIS items?

Why do all of these things get tied together anytime someone is defending exclusivity? Nobody said anything about the other stuff you listed- just freeholds. The only reason anybody cares about freeholds is because of the multitude of game features tied behind them.

Fantmx

I am starting to think the term carebear best describes those who are so intent on being the super special player in the virtual world that they try to make everyone else feel soft and beneath them by calling those people carebears. A mirrored version of their reality.

Korela

NiKr wrote: »

Korela wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but ~2k freeholds ("low thousands") * 9 players (family system) = ~18k players. Is it not enough? Or literally every carebear should own a freehold, dragon, castle and all BIS items?

A big chunk of those will be controlled by guilds where a single family would control several FHs. It's not like all families will just have a single FH amongst them and that's that.

I don't think that there is enough FHs in 1 Node for 1 Guild to be more than 1 per family in it. Or it is just a bad family managemet in guild?

Korela

Boneshatter wrote: »

Korela wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but ~2k freeholds ("low thousands") * 9 players (family system) = ~18k players. Is it not enough? Or literally every carebear should own a freehold, dragon, castle and all BIS items?

Why do all of these things get tied together anytime someone is defending exclusivity? Nobody said anything about the other stuff you listed- just freeholds. The only reason anybody cares about freeholds is because of the multitude of game features tied behind them.

Low-effort players who loves login rewards, participation trophies, daily quests, etc, are destroyed the MMORPG genre for other type of players. Their demands are unlimited. I can see that and point it out early. I do not care about what they are saying if the implication of their statements is lowering the risk to 0 and rising the reward to the sky.

Ludullu

Korela wrote: »

I don't think that there is enough FHs in 1 Node for 1 Guild to be more than 1 per family in it. Or it is just a bad family managemet in guild?

One guild, even a small one, would most likely spread over several nodes. Purely because different people in that guild would want different benefits from node types. A strong guild would have enough money to outbid other families/small guilds on each FH they'd want to buy.

With 9 processing professions and, at least, 2 buildings per profession, you'd need at least 3 FHs to maximize your output of mats (probably more). And that's just for a single line of said output. Any strong guild would want to maximize their output, because they wouldn't want to be bottlenecked in their crafting.

So no strong guild would want to limit themselves to just one FH per family. As long as they have the money they'll buy up as many FHs as possible.

Korela

Fantmx wrote: »

I am starting to think the term carebear best describes those who are so intent on being the super special player in the virtual world that they try to make everyone else feel soft and beneath them by calling those people carebears. A mirrored version of their reality.

I can use other term. Just let me know how to call players who loves to login and get 10 rewards, then they are doing daily quests, exploring and chatting, but then do not understand why that guy near them owns a land but they are not, and rushes to the forums and fills it with their fantasies.

George_Black

Korela wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

I am starting to think the term carebear best describes those who are so intent on being the super special player in the virtual world that they try to make everyone else feel soft and beneath them by calling those people carebears. A mirrored version of their reality.

I can use other term. Just let me know how to call players who loves to login and get 10 rewards, then they are doing daily quests, exploring and chatting, but then do not understand why that guy near them owns a land but they are not, and rushes to the forums and fills it with their fantasies.

Dont worry about this guy.
He has a thing for weird definitions. Ignore him.

Child Item