Node Housing - Houses

I have not been around as much lately, so i apologize if this has been discussed and I missed it.

In the Village Node video, they made a point to go look at a House that belonged to a player. Is this a new thing, houses that are you are able to place out side of the node? Is this a piece of the freehold change that has been over looked?

Can i buy a house and then place it out in the world, like a freehold? Can I put a house near the freehold that I have access to through the family system?

So, there will be freeholds and Houses out in the world? Is this correct? I always thought all the node housing but freeholds were actually contained within the node.

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Ludullu

I'm fairly sure it's just this
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Static_housing

The caravansary is right outside of the village walls, so it's obvious that the node's footprint is bigger than what the walls indicate.

Jamation

NiKr wrote: »

I'm fairly sure it's just this
The caravansary is right outside of the village walls, so it's obvious that the node's footprint is bigger than what the walls indicate.

To add on to this:

The node will visually appear to expand upon upgrading the node (which this only displayed village so has 3 more upgrades it could do). We also know that mansions will only be an available upgrade for the housing plots that started in the node from the village level and they'll be "main street" housing. Plus this was only one of the town designs as they'll look different depending on the racial influence and may not give the same "out of city" look.

Also a Node is like a country/state. The houses will be within the "city"/"capital" of the node while freeholds will be out in the wilds of the node. So they are still technically all still within the node(since you'll have to do a quest or something of the sort to be granted the ability to place a freehold in the wilds of a certain node), just one type of housing is city based while the other is not.

Dygz

I'm not sure what "outside of the Node" is intended to indicate.
A Metro takes up 1/5 of the world map. I don't think there will be a wall around an entire Metro.
Technically, a Metro will also have some Vassals: Encampments, Villages, Towns and Cities.

I think most importantly... the locations of the houses we saw in the Nodes demo were not chosen by players.
Rather, those houses will appear when the Node progresses to the next Stage. Then players can by those game-created houses, rather than players purchasing a plot and building a Freehold there.

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

I'm not sure what "outside of the Node" is intended to indicate.
A Metro takes up 1/5 of the world map. I don't think there will be a wall around an entire Metro.
Technically, a Metro will also have some Vassals: Encampments, Villages, Towns and Cities.

Metro's zoi might take up 1/5, but I somehow doubt that we'll have random in-node housing popping up near our freeholds that was specifically placed in the middle of nowhere.

Centers of nodes will have some limits or at least general footprint of where the "center" ends. And I'd imagine that in-node housing can only exist within the confines of that footprint/limit.

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

Metro's zoi might take up 1/5, but I somehow doubt that we'll have random in-node housing popping up near our freeholds that was specifically placed in the middle of nowhere.

Centers of nodes will have some limits or at least general footprint of where the "center" ends. And I'd imagine that in-node housing can only exist within the confines of that footprint/limit.

I think it's impossible for In-Node houses to "pop-up" near Freeholds.
In-Node house does not necessarily mean surrounded by Village walls. Especially when the Village is a Vassal of a Metro.

Depraved

wait how do you know a metro will take 1/5 of the map? did steven say that or is it because there will only be 5 metros?

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

I think it's impossible for In-Node houses to "pop-up" near Freeholds.
In-Node house does not necessarily mean surrounded by Village walls. Especially when the Village is a Vassal of a Metro.

You said it yourself. Those houses appear when the node progresses. If in-node housing could appear anywhere within that node's zoi - a house could pop up near my freehold that's in bumfucknowhere. But I don't think this is the case.

The house "outside the walls" from the showcase, to me, just implies that the center's footprint is not defined by the walls. Caravansary being outside the walls kinda supports that theory.

Depraved wrote: »

wait how do you know a metro will take 1/5 of the map? did steven say that or is it because there will only be 5 metros?

I think he said that at one point, but I couldn't find the quote with a quick search on the metro page. But yeah, metros will have huge ZOIs and will split the map into roughly 1/5 of the world per each metro. There's gonna be buffer nodes as well and also castle nodes, which will be outside of the vassal system, but metros will still control roughly 1/5 of the map each.

Depraved

so cant have all metros in one corner of the map i guess xD

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

so cant have all metros in one corner of the map i guess xD

Definitely not all. I'd imagine somehow somewhen we might get two metros real close to each other, with vassal node tails like on a comet, but that would have to be some very fortuitous happenstance or explicit influence by players.

Dygz

NiKr wrote: »

You said it yourself. Those houses appear when the node progresses. If in-node housing could appear anywhere within that node's zoi - a house could pop up near my freehold that's in bumfucknowhere. But I don't think this is the case.

Um. I never said that In-Node Housing could appear anywhere in the Node's ZoI.
I said In-Node Housing does not mean within Village/Town/City/ Metro walls.
"Anywhere" is a concept you are adding on your own.

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

Um. I never said that In-Node Housing could appear anywhere in the Node's ZoI.
I said In-Node Housing does not mean within Village/Town/City/ Metro walls.
"Anywhere" is a concept you are adding on your own.

So we've been talking about the same thing

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Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

wait how do you know a metro will take 1/5 of the map? did steven say that or is it because there will only be 5 metros?

I think he said that at one point, but I couldn't find the quote with a quick search on the metro page. But yeah, metros will have huge ZOIs and will split the map into roughly 1/5 of the world per each metro. There's gonna be buffer nodes as well and also castle nodes, which will be outside of the vassal system, but metros will still control roughly 1/5 of the map each.

Up to one fifth of the world will be encompassed within the ZOI of a Metropolis.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Zone_of_influence
I like the wiki but with so many things is easy to not find what you are looking for.

Ludullu

Raven016 wrote: »

Up to one fifth of the world will be encompassed within the ZOI of a Metropolis.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Zone_of_influence
I like the wiki but with so many things is easy to not find what you are looking for.

It just takes a bit more time than me going to the metro page and simply alt+Fing "1/5" and "fifth"

And outside of that, Lex is just one guy so having absolutely all cross-references on all pages would be asking a bit too much. Even having wiki at this point in the game's development and having a wiki of current quality if crazy, so I'm super thankful it's there.

Vaknar

NiKr wrote: »

I'm fairly sure it's just this
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Static_housing

The caravansary is right outside of the village walls, so it's obvious that the node's footprint is bigger than what the walls indicate.

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Fantmx

He says "I was an early citizen. I was able to get some real estate."

Abarat

NiKr wrote: »

I'm fairly sure it's just this
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Static_housing

The caravansary is right outside of the village walls, so it's obvious that the node's footprint is bigger than what the walls indicate.

It definitely seems like you may be correct, but it also seems like a significant change... On the wiki it states...
"Only the houses that existed at the Village stage will become main street mansions at the Metropolis stage."

Ludullu

Abarat wrote: »

It definitely seems like you may be correct, but it also seems like a significant change... On the wiki it states...
"Only the houses that existed at the Village stage will become main street mansions at the Metropolis stage."

And? This is the house that would become the mansion were this node to lvl up.

Abarat

seems odd to call a house in the woods a 'main street" mansion. that is all.

Ludullu

Abarat wrote: »

seems odd to call a house in the woods a 'main street" mansion. that is all.

This house is right outside the walls. Those walls will get moved once the node levels up because the node's center will become much bigger.

Jamation

Abarat wrote: »

seems odd to call a house in the woods a 'main street" mansion. that is all.

That's because it isn't a mansion yet...

Mansions are only in a metropolis level node, which this only showed a village stage. With every upgrade of the node the city will expand and get bigger. So that small house in the village will gain the ability to become a mansion after the node levels up. AKA the node will expand around it so much that what used to be on the outskirts is now a central hub.

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