Is religion optional or integral?

Can someone explain this system to me? Will religion be a required part of the game to not leave gaps in your characters progression?

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Rebutko

Nevermind I think I found the answer to my question. Needless to say I think this is a huge mistake forcing players into “practicing” a religion in a game that may interfere with their own deeply held religious beliefs. Major disappointment this is direction that has been chosen.

Depraved

no one is forced....religions are optional. you can simply join a military, scientific or economic node if you dont want to join a religious node.

Jamation

I don't know what answer you found, but no...you don't have to practice any religion in the game if you don't want to

from the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Religions

It won't leave gaps in your characters progress as many of the things with in-game impact are rewarded to those who are top members of a religion (like a Bishop or a Pope). It's the same with any optional system. If you don't want to participate you don't have to, but you also won't get whatever is associated with it (like the vendor discounts/recipes for high ranking members). Same with if you don't go into crafting/gathering, or if you don't raid, or if you don't go into the government of a node. It's not going to leave a "gap" in the sense that if you don't do it you'll be behind other players. It's just a system that you can choose not to participate in. What other direction do you think they should be going if that's not to your taste?

Rebutko

I just don’t think “practicing” a religion should ever be something that feels required in any sense - it should be completely RP related if it’s going to be pushed in a game. It crosses a line that may make many players uncomfortable and feel forced to participate in if it has anything to do with character progression.

Depraved

its not required...

many things make people uncomfortable. sucks to suck.

if the rule is dont make people uncomfortable, not even one person...then no one would ever do or say anything at all

Taleof2Cities

Rebutko wrote: »

I just don’t think “practicing” a religion should ever be something that feels required in any sense ...

Did you read the quotes from the wiki?

It's not required. Period.

Rebutko

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Rebutko wrote: »

I just don’t think “practicing” a religion should ever be something that feels required in any sense ...

Did you read the quotes from the wiki?

It's not required. Period.

Is the below information incorrect ?

Rebutko

Religions most definitely will have player power impact. Augments, Unique abilities, special items & recipes.

Depraved

it also says on the wiki somewhere that you can only have one active augment on a skill at a time...but yeah i guess ud miss out on the option if u dont pick a religion. but if u dont become a member of a religious node, you can become a member of another type of node and get something else in return...so its not mandatory, it depends what you want.

also its a video game, ur not really worshipping anything, -__-

Rebutko

I think it crosses a line that shouldn’t be crossed in a video game. I think this is a huge mistake.

Lash

I am against killing people in real life but players will be expected to do that countless times in game.

tautau

If you choose not to join the crafters' guild (thieves guild, learn animal husbandry, roll an archer, join a guild, or pretty much anything else) then you end up not maximizing your character. Same with religion. I don't want to practice thievery, so I don't join the thieves guild...same with religion.

It is actually cool, you choose what in the game is most fun for you...and you do that!

Rebutko

It’s creepy to even talk about tbh. If you can’t tell the difference between fantasy combat in which characters respawn, limited gore, fictional monsters etc and a realistic religion system in which deity worship is encouraged via shrines, temples, quests etc. I’m not sure how to explain it to you.

Rebutko

tautau wrote: »

If you choose not to join the crafters' guild (thieves guild, learn animal husbandry, roll an archer, join a guild, or pretty much anything else) then you end up not maximizing your character. Same with religion. I don't want to practice thievery, so I don't join the thieves guild...same with religion.

It is actually cool, you choose what in the game is most fun for you...and you do that!

I think the issue is that it sounds like it *is* required because it provides *unique* skill augments, items, recipes etc. You can’t really call that optional if it has a significant impact on character progression.

If it was RP I wouldn’t care. Do whatever you want.

bloodprophet

Rebutko wrote: »

It’s creepy to even talk about tbh. If you can’t tell the difference between fantasy combat in which characters respawn, limited gore, fictional monsters etc and a realistic religion system in which deity worship is encouraged via shrines, temples, quests etc. I’m not sure how to explain it to you.

Interesting take.
If you can't tell the difference between a fantasy religion and a real one

Noaani

Rebutko wrote: »

I think it crosses a line that shouldn’t be crossed in a video game. I think this is a huge mistake.

I disagree.

Religion has been a part of many games for many years. It adds flavor to a games world, and allowing players to gain from being active in an in game religion simply gives players motivation to participate in that gameplay.

If there was no reason to participate in religious content, the game shouldn't have religions at all.

Thus, it is either *have religions in game and make them worthwhile content* or *don't have them at all*. Since the game world is obviously richer and fuller with religion than without, it is a no-brainer that they exist, and as such that they are worthwhile content.

In years of playing MMO's with in game religions, this is the first complaints I've ever seen about religion like this.

Depraved

Rebutko wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

If you choose not to join the crafters' guild (thieves guild, learn animal husbandry, roll an archer, join a guild, or pretty much anything else) then you end up not maximizing your character. Same with religion. I don't want to practice thievery, so I don't join the thieves guild...same with religion.

It is actually cool, you choose what in the game is most fun for you...and you do that!

I think the issue is that it sounds like it *is* required because it provides *unique* skill augments, items, recipes etc. You can’t really call that optional if it has a significant impact on character progression.

If it was RP I wouldn’t care. Do whatever you want.

how do you know they are significant? maybe the augment sucks

they provide 4 progression paths, each one tied to a node. if you pick religion, you are missing on the other 3. just pick military or something....

Raven016

Rebutko wrote: »

Nevermind I think I found the answer to my question. Needless to say I think this is a huge mistake forcing players into “practicing” a religion in a game that may interfere with their own deeply held religious beliefs. Major disappointment this is direction that has been chosen.

There are Gods in the world of Vera. It makes sense to get a real force or benefit if you obtain their favor.
What makes no sense is:

Players will not be able to worship The Others at temples, but certain quest paths will allow darker forms of worship.[9]

I have the feeling that the Others will not be as helpful as the Seven.
So in the end, this is more for the game mechanic which wants to avoid factions.

Also the corruption as lore is different from the corruption as game mechanic. Would be better to have a bit of corruption everywhere, even in deep ocean and caravan fights.

Noaani

Depraved wrote: »

they provide 4 progression paths, each one tied to a node. if you pick religion, you are missing on the other 3. just pick military or something....

As far as we know, this isn't true.

In the same way you can PvP if you are not in a military node, you can buy and sell goods if you are not in an economic node, and you can craft items if you are not in a scientific node, you can still participate in religion if you are not in a religious node.

Raven016

Depraved wrote: »

Rebutko wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

If you choose not to join the crafters' guild (thieves guild, learn animal husbandry, roll an archer, join a guild, or pretty much anything else) then you end up not maximizing your character. Same with religion. I don't want to practice thievery, so I don't join the thieves guild...same with religion.

It is actually cool, you choose what in the game is most fun for you...and you do that!

I think the issue is that it sounds like it *is* required because it provides *unique* skill augments, items, recipes etc. You can’t really call that optional if it has a significant impact on character progression.

If it was RP I wouldn’t care. Do whatever you want.

how do you know they are significant? maybe the augment sucks

they provide 4 progression paths, each one tied to a node. if you pick religion, you are missing on the other 3. just pick military or something....

Only 4 progression paths? But there are 7 good Gods...

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