deep pve content?

Hi All,

Have they talked about how deep and developed the pve content is going to be.
I could care less about the pvp part of the game, I mostly play games like this for dungeons and gear and grouping with friends to progress in the game. If anyone has any info on this they would like to share it would be great!

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George_Black

Jindoshi wrote: »

Hi All,

Have they talked about how deep and developed the pve content is going to be.
I could care less about the pvp part of the game, I mostly play games like this for dungeons and gear and grouping with friends to progress in the game. If anyone has any info on this they would like to share it would be great!

Ye, the pve is very deep and there will be many dungeons to complete in w0w eso ff14 and the rest. Have fun.

Jamation

Howdy, if you check out the Ashes of Creation Wiki there is a ton of information on PvE content as well as a bunch of other info/systems you may be interested in. Dungeons, RP, Exploration, Citizenship, crafting, etc
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/

Depraved

Jindoshi wrote: »

Hi All,

Have they talked about how deep and developed the pve content is going to be.
I could care less about the pvp part of the game, I mostly play games like this for dungeons and gear and grouping with friends to progress in the game. If anyone has any info on this they would like to share it would be great!

if you arent interested in the pvp aspect of the game, are you willing to endure months and months and months (while paying money every month) of pvp just so that you can do some top end pve?

i think most people dont realize this. adding top pve, instances, etc will not attract pve players who dont care about pvp, and ti will only subtract from the game

Dygz

You mean, "adding top pve, instances, etc will not attract pve players who don't care about pvp?"
More instances would attract more of those players because they could spend quite a lot of time in instances, rather than in the open world.

Of course, that would be counter to Steven's goals.

Azherae

You can check on their YouTube or do any basic search on YouTube for the boss 'Tumok' to get an early idea of what we're looking at.

Aside from that, we have the standard information, and the people with similar desires to you, don't expect much yet and are waiting for more information.

Noaani

Jindoshi wrote: »

Hi All,

Have they talked about how deep and developed the pve content is going to be.
I could care less about the pvp part of the game, I mostly play games like this for dungeons and gear and grouping with friends to progress in the game. If anyone has any info on this they would like to share it would be great!

They have not talked about this at all.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

You mean, "adding top pve, instances, etc will not attract pve players who don't care about pvp?"
More instances would attract more of those players because they could spend quite a lot of time in instances, rather than in the open world.

Of course, that would be counter to Steven's goals.

they arent going to provide a full instanced progression from level 1 to 50 to max gear. unless they do that, adding a few instances or encounters at max level that are top pve, whatever you guys mean by top pve, wont attract players that arent interested in pvp, because they arent going to endure all the pvp they have to do for months and months to get to that point.

im talking about people who log in on sunday, play 2 hours and do a raid then log off and see you next week. the majority of players are players who like pvpx, pvp, socializing and the open world and who dont mind pvp to do their pve

Depraved

yes dygz it was a typo, i meant pvp

Raven016

Depraved wrote: »

the majority of players are players who like pvpx, pvp, socializing and the open world and who dont mind pvp to do their pve

Socializing especially in DPS Meter Megathreads. Normal threads compared to that one are like node 0 vs metropolis.

morphwastaken

Depraved wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

You mean, "adding top pve, instances, etc will not attract pve players who don't care about pvp?"
More instances would attract more of those players because they could spend quite a lot of time in instances, rather than in the open world.

they arent going to provide a full instanced progression from level 1 to 50 to max gear. unless they do that, adding a few instances or encounters at max level that are top pve, whatever you guys mean by top pve, wont attract players that arent interested in pvp, because they arent going to endure all the pvp they have to do for months and months to get to that point.

What if those who think they don't like PvP - just did not have a chance to play a good MMO, and would easily get converted into PvX players?
Does it make sense to add tiny bit of content that would make it easier to attract and convert such players, or just let it be, and let them turn to like PvP on their own?

What if it's not instanced. What if it is quite literally a bait. Open world bosses, with complex mechanics, but trashy loot, so it's mostly uncontested, and players who look for PvE content can go ham at those.

Raven016

Jindoshi wrote: »

Hi All,

Have they talked about how deep and developed the pve content is going to be.
I could care less about the pvp part of the game, I mostly play games like this for dungeons and gear and grouping with friends to progress in the game. If anyone has any info on this they would like to share it would be great!

There was a stream / interview with Steven recently where they asked Steven about PvE.
Maybe Steven's answer is what you want to know.

https://youtu.be/BKF8EJ1d8gE?t=3531

https://youtu.be/BKF8EJ1d8gE?t=3531

timestamp 58:51

Kilion

Jindoshi wrote: »

I could care less about the pvp part of the game, I mostly play games like this for dungeons and gear and grouping with friends to progress in the game.

Ont thing worth remembering here would be that you cannot escape PvP in this game, just like people will not escape PvE in this game either.

With that being said maybe our best hints at the depth of the PvE content are the showcase of the story arc system. With the progression of Nodes, deeper levels of dungeons become available (as explained with the Tower of Carphin) and story lines will progress possibly also tied to the Node progression. Additionally I am very curious about the exploration component of the game, there the game could really shine with its dynamic quest system.

Veeshan

Kilion wrote: »

Jindoshi wrote: »

I could care less about the pvp part of the game, I mostly play games like this for dungeons and gear and grouping with friends to progress in the game.

Ont thing worth remembering here would be that you cannot escape PvP in this game, just like people will not escape PvE in this game either.

With that being said maybe our best hints at the depth of the PvE content are the showcase of the story arc system. With the progression of Nodes, deeper levels of dungeons become available (as explained with the Tower of Carphin) and story lines will progress possibly also tied to the Node progression. Additionally I am very curious about the exploration component of the game, there the game could really shine with its dynamic quest system.

There are a few instances to escape pvp if you realy want to think they said 80/20 or something so 20% instances that being said open world content wil provide best gear (item to craft best gear) and what not though but im guessing there be some instance content so players can get base line gear atleast i would think.
majority of dungeons in AoC will be open world dungeon much like the pre WoW era of games which will be a breath of fresh air i rather hate instances cause they take away the unpredictability element provided via players (both pvp and pve) tbh though ucan just treat players as smart AI bandits or dungeon mobs if you realy wanted too :if they attack

unpredicability imo is what makes a wgame feel like a world and unfortuently thats been pretty much taken out of all modern day mmo's post wow for a fairer enviroment but that end up feeling like your in a sterile padded room where nothing interesting happens.

they could add complicated bosses mechanics open world here and there too where you do a task to make a boss spawn but then a barrier goes around the room that only lets the first x amount of players go through it so you can have tailored content for x amount of players. You could also allow the barrier to be broken from the outside if another group rocks up by doing something to weaken it doing so will flag you as purple and this would keep thing feeling open world and conflict with other groups can happen but would prevent people being able to zerg bosses aswell.

Jindoshi

Ok maybe I didn't phrase my question the right way initially, I'm not talking about instances or raids or complex boss mechanics.. What I'm asking is will there be dungeons with multiple levels, like guk in eq1 for example?
Will there be mini bosses in dungeons that have rare drops to go after, think of the flowing black sash for example in eq, or golden efretti boots?

As you can probably tell from my examples I played a lot of eq1 and wow, they were my favorite mmos.
From all of the developer videos I have seen on Ashes of creation this game appears to be a lot like wow except you have sieges on nodes and fighting for territory.

What keeps players playing mmo games is not castle sieges or node sieges, I mean those can be fun but will eventually get really old after awhile. I think what makes games great is grouping with friends doing dungeons and trying to get great loot for your character to wear and use and one of the most fun things these type of games offer is leveling alts up and experience new classes and abilities.

I started playing mmos when utlima online came out in 99, so I have tried lots of mmo games and so far no other game has came close to the magic of what eq1 was in its day or early wow before it got too crazy with expansions.

The videos I have seen from Steven and the team on the developer reveals each month give me hope this game can be something really good for a change, I'm just hoping they have enough pve content to keep me interested. Pvp sieges on towns like I mentioned is fine and all but thats not really what makes mmos fun.
A deep open world with interesting monsters to go hunt down for great loot with your friends is what makes these games magical.

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

they arent going to provide a full instanced progression from level 1 to 50 to max gear. unless they do that, adding a few instances or encounters at max level that are top pve, whatever you guys mean by top pve, wont attract players that arent interested in pvp, because they arent going to endure all the pvp they have to do for months and months to get to that point.

The 20% Instanced Dungeons/Raids do not begin at max level. Expect those to be spread throughout the Adventurer levels. If they add more than 20%, you can expect players who don't love owpvp to spend more time in those instances. Especially if they can repeat those instances fairly easily.
The gear they need will be crafted by the Resources they obtain from those Raids/Dungeons. And, since there is no separate PvP/PvE gear, instanced Dungeons/Raids would provide access to the same gear levels as owpvp Dungeons/Raids.
More instanced PvE would very likely attract more players who don't love PvP.
But, those players are not the target audience for Ashes, so.... there's no reason to expect the devs to provide more than 20% instanced Dungeons/Raids.

Depraved wrote: »

im talking about people who log in on sunday, play 2 hours and do a raid then log off and see you next week. the majority of players are players who like pvpx, pvp, socializing and the open world and who dont mind pvp to do their pve

LMAO
That's not the majority of MMORPG players.

Ludullu

Jindoshi wrote: »

From all of the developer videos I have seen on Ashes of creation this game appears to be a lot like wow

Holy shit, this is funnier than that one time when Rick turned himself into a pickle

Yes, there'll be huge great dungeons, because Steven is inspired by Lineage 2 and that game lived and breathed huge deep OPEN WORLD dungeons.

morphwastaken

Jindoshi wrote: »

Ok maybe I didn't phrase my question the right way initially, I'm not talking about instances or raids or complex boss mechanics.. What I'm asking is will there be dungeons with multiple levels, like guk in eq1 for example?

Absolutely. Here's an example - Tower of Carphin. Video does not show too much, but AoC draws a lot of inspiration from Lineage 2, so below is an example of a dungeon in L2:
Cruma Tower outside
Cruma Tower inside
Cruma Tower level 1 layout

Jindoshi wrote: »

Will there be mini bosses in dungeons that have rare drops to go after, think of the flowing black sash for example in eq, or golden efretti boots?

There will be mini-bosses, i would not expect them to drop much more than regular items or materials, maybe some special cosmetics or unique items that are not gear.
There will be gear sets.
There will be extremely rare, potentially exclusive, legendary gear, but it would involve much more than a mini-boss.
I don't know of anything in-between, doubt there will be, i expect just different grades of gear, sets + legendary items.

Sunboy

Pvp will be deep. Long and hard battles. Throbbing fast paced action. Girthy men and women fighting. Penetrating the enemy defenses. Claiming heads. Finishing them of with explosives. A spectacular event indeed.

Noaani

Sunboy wrote: »

Pvp will be deep. Long and hard battles. Throbbing fast paced action. Girthy men and women fighting. Penetrating the enemy defenses. Claiming heads. Finishing them of with explosives. A spectacular event indeed.

See, I disagree.

I think Ashes PvE content is going to be limp like a wet noodle. People participating will push on with that flacid content though, hoping for something harder afterwards - only to be disapointed again having to resort to PvP themselves in order to find any satisfaction. Everyone will likely leave disapointed, unsatisfied and reevaluating their life choices that led them to this point.

George_Black

Noaani wrote: »

Sunboy wrote: »

Pvp will be deep. Long and hard battles. Throbbing fast paced action. Girthy men and women fighting. Penetrating the enemy defenses. Claiming heads. Finishing them of with explosives. A spectacular event indeed.

See, I disagree.

I think Ashes PvE content is going to be limp like a wet noodle. People participating will push on with that flacid content though, hoping for something harder afterwards - only to be disapointed again having to resort to PvP themselves in order to find any satisfaction. Everyone will likely leave disapointed, unsatisfied and reevaluating their life choices that led them to this point.

But bitter ppl that type such as the above, having spent a few years in these forums and having reevaluated his lifes choices will still be around, instead of moving on.

Take note of all the soft, cowardly aggression towards the game and think "do I wanna hear more from this guy?"

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