primitive/ basic (NON MODERN) guns should be one of the first expansion additions

For starters just so there is NO confusion, what i mean by 'first expansion additions' is that after launch, there will obviously be expansions that add new stuff and i bet we will see crossbows return as well in a similar style AFTER launch to avoid scope creep.

Now as for the idea, personally ik people have this really weird hate for ANY firearms in fantasy even tho irl, blackpowder has existed for A LONG time and while guns didnt get made until a while after blackpowder, partially thats cuase there wasnt a need for them and what they were capable of at THE VERY beginning wasnt worth the cost to many people. Now as for the specifics around how and why i feel it makes A LOT more sense to see basic firearms in fantasy is cause in a world where you can create enchantments to create fire by using some invisible energy much akin to air like 'mana' or some other magic source AND even perhaps do things like have another enchantment create solid air or ice and than imbue an enchantment that makes it a lot stronger and prevents melting to than make it possible to fire by triggering the fire rune and firing off the ice bullet really just makes it so honestly, there is no reason why a world where such a thing is possible, that WOULDNT happen ESPECIALLY when there is tons of monsters out there that wanna kill you and your whole family but you dont have the time, money, or maybe even ability flat out to learn to wield a sword that with the power of a true swordmaster behind it and some poweful enchantments on it could probably outclass ANY gun or bow made of the hair and bones of a dragon that a truly strong archer could wield in such a manner where they could blow away another dragons head with a single enchanted arrow. honestly i could imagine guns being the 'STRONG as a base but unless you devote a lot of time, money, and have the knowhow yourself, they will never be worth anything in the face of the truly strong' type weapon with crossbows being the inbetween with bolts still needing to be made but because of that, they can be made out of VERY strong matierials AND have more than what are basically enchantment shavings to boost their strength as opposed to those ice bullets i mentioned.

Basically you could have a flintlock style pistol that takes some time to charge between shots but is as a base pretty good and easy to use with perhaps people who could go down a skill line that would be added along side these firearms which would be 'artificing' and take up your artisan role could use more specific guns aside from the ones ANYONE can use like those basic flintlocks which say a swashbuckling pirate fighter who spends their time on the sea could use a sword in one hand for when close range combat breaks out and have the pistol for more medium range engagements without havning to devote anything to make it good. Honestly it could be fun being an artificer which could be a branching path from enchantment so you need to be an enchanter to than specialize further and become and artificer or maybe even be BOTH a enchanter and blacksmith which upon reaching high enough levels in them (proly not max) you get access to spend the rest of your levels as a artificer so you would be a ok enchanter and blacksmith but your real specialty would be guns, bombs, automatons perhaps powered by magic like golems but made from special alloys and enchantments that allow them to be fully automanous companions.

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Tyranthraxus

Their stated goal is to avoid gun-powder/black-powder weapons, entirely.

There was a comment in a livestream that alluded that we *might* see cannons on naval armaments - but it would otherwise be heavy/great crossbows and ballistae. Potion launchers have also been speculated upon, but not confirmed.

Freemeta

i dunno why? they don't want shapeshifting abilities too.

btw the first primitive weapon missing is fist weapon or bare fist weapon skill tree (i miss a brawler class and barbarian).

Nerror

While settings with both guns and magic are valid and completely fine, my personal preference for high fantasy games like Ashes is to not mix them. I actually even hope the ship weapons aren't too cannon-like.

Dygz

Expect portable potion-launchers before guns.

CROW3

No guns.

Mag7spy

I'd be hyped for a portal potion launcher weapon (dual pistols). I'd main ranger 100%

Veeshan

Freemeta wrote: »

i dunno why? they don't want shapeshifting abilities too.

btw the first primitive weapon missing is fist weapon or bare fist weapon skill tree (i miss a brawler class and barbarian).

steven favourite setting is high fantasy and want to keep more non fantasy thing like guns out of it. you might see some other weird type of weapon that might function like guns by use f magic or somthing but u probaly wont see gun powerder type stuff outside of cannons on ships

Rookk

Freemeta wrote: »

i dunno why? they don't want shapeshifting abilities too.

btw the first primitive weapon missing is fist weapon or bare fist weapon skill tree (i miss a brawler class and barbarian).

hell tbf on the shapeshifting one, i also asked about that but it sounded like when an acutal dev responded that the issue there was a technical one.

Rookk

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Their stated goal is to avoid gun-powder/black-powder weapons, entirely.

There was a comment in a livestream that alluded that we *might* see cannons on naval armaments - but it would otherwise be heavy/great crossbows and ballistae. Potion launchers have also been speculated upon, but not confirmed.

ik but i dont get why. this is just another attempt to get the devs to understand why limiting roleplaying like this only hurts immersion and just doesnt make sense. again tho i hope i made it clear at bare minimum, i didnt say they should add this BEFORE launch but only after with crossbows i bet are a damn near shoe in to get added in some expansion AFTER launch as well.

Rookk

Nerror wrote: »

While settings with both guns and magic are valid and completely fine, my personal preference for high fantasy games like Ashes is to not mix them. I actually even hope the ship weapons aren't too cannon-like.

i have been told before that many people see it as a sorta tolkien style high fantasy is best, type thing and ultimately, i guess it would be best to call this post me simply stating my opinion so the devs can see it and think about it AND it gives others who share my opinion a platform to also voice their thoughts so we can all see where everyone stands and the devs can get feedback that helps in making the ultimate decision.

Rookk

Dygz wrote: »

Expect portable potion-launchers before guns.

fair and that actually is also one of the toons imma make with i know imma have a pure icey boi and probably a death knight type tank as well with an artificer who uses potions and poisons to do their dirty work is another one.

Rookk

CROW3 wrote: »

No guns.

but percy from vox machina tho.....

Rookk

Veeshan wrote: »

Freemeta wrote: »

i dunno why? they don't want shapeshifting abilities too.

btw the first primitive weapon missing is fist weapon or bare fist weapon skill tree (i miss a brawler class and barbarian).

steven favourite setting is high fantasy and want to keep more non fantasy thing like guns out of it. you might see some other weird type of weapon that might function like guns by use f magic or somthing but u probaly wont see gun powerder type stuff outside of cannons on ships

did you read my original post? the whole idea i offered up was a weapon that uses ambient magic and runes to create bullets of ice that get enchanted to be durable and not melt with secondary enchantments that enchant the ice bullet just after it forms by touching them before than when ya pull the trigger, a fire rune behind the bullet ignites and fires the ice bullet. hell in a world with magic and enchantments, honestly i agree... BLACK POWDER guns wouldnt be viable or used because the cost of resources to use them would be too high but if the enchantments exist easy enough which a world teaming with magic like verra were to be real, a magic firearm like this could be possible after some wizard or proly just some farmer looking to defend their home makes a normal basic flintlock pistol before a wizard would see it and make the magic improvements making it a weapon used worldwide not necessarily by the truly powerful as of course, its not like being super strong physical makes the bullet go faster and the enchantments could be said to not be too strong for a reason, that being you dont wanna blow the gun up cause its already proly near the enchantment cap meaning it cant have the barrel reinforced to take more firepower strain anyways meaning magical strength is out the window too. basically unless you had the specific enchanting talent to make masterpieces hence my suggestion of an artificer subclass that comes from having say half your artisan levels in blacksmith and the other half in enchanter limiting those roles as well as making it so you can really only work on automatons, guns, and basically steampunk stuff rather than traditional stuff so as to allow for even more fun progression and ways of ensuring the weapon type really wouldnt be op nor likely even seen often aside from maybe with fighters and rouges who want something that they can use quickly to get off a mid range shot from a weapon they dont need to invest in to hit a at least decceeeeeennnt base level.

Freemeta

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Freemeta wrote: »

i dunno why? they don't want shapeshifting abilities too.

btw the first primitive weapon missing is fist weapon or bare fist weapon skill tree (i miss a brawler class and barbarian).

hell tbf on the shapeshifting one, i also asked about that but it sounded like when an acutal dev responded that the issue there was a technical one.

hum it does not look good for the game. it's a common abilitie in many games and they developped Monster Coin so it's weird.

Caww

no guns/black powder or steam punk please....

Solvryn

They scrapped potion launcher and crossbow.

Steven doesn’t want black powder.

Spif

The problem with black powder (or a magically based equivalent) existing for guns is that it then exists for explosives barrels and everything else.

Dual wielding hand crossbows with some John Wu animations may have a chance. We'll see

Demostrathe

Freemeta wrote: »

i dunno why? they don't want shapeshifting abilities too.

btw the first primitive weapon missing is fist weapon or bare fist weapon skill tree (i miss a brawler class and barbarian).

facts its such a missed opprotunity to not have a Martial Artist class

daveywavey

No thanks. No firearms, please.

HeetCrusher

Ah hell no. This ain't New World. You want to play that go play it. This is MMOARPGX guns are not in DnD typical fantasy games.

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