Will there be consumable ammo

First post and much respect to the team. Thank you for endeavoring to make such a game. Now to my question.

Will there be consumable ammo for rangers or other classes or perhaps ships with the potion launcher?
Will this improve stats while using them? Will classes be able to craft them?

Thanks!

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Azherae

Generally no.

There may be quivers which do not explicitly have any arrow count in them, for special effects and possibly stat increases.

This link to the wiki page is probably the most helpful, few paragraphs in.

Tyranthraxus

@Azherae is correct. SS has directly commented on this before, and he just doesn't consider it a "fun" element of a game.

Same applies to his comments on "retrievable ammo"; there won't be.

RazThemun

From my understanding there will not be.

What would be nice is if you had unlimited ammo of one kind. But there were other kinds you could purchase to do different things. Such as a fire arrows, arrows that explode, etc. Yes they could just build the abilities in. But by needing to purchase people would need to be more selective in when they use them as opposed to spamming the ability.

Veeshan

You may need ammo for naval since i beleive AA had cannon balls ammo to use ship cannons so it might go that way since AA the biggest inspiration when it comes to naval content.
But atm it seems like no there no consumable ammo atm atleast in regards to bows.

GrappLr

Here's my personal take on this: Ammo isn't particularly fun, it just isn't.

But one thing they could do, if they wanted to give the feel of different "ammo type" is make quivers an item slot. Quivers would come "pre packed" with certain arrow types. So for example, you could farm for a "fire arrow quiver", etc. That way, there could be more than 1 type of "ammo", without the need for an "ammo" slot.

Veeshan

GrappLr wrote: »

Here's my personal take on this: Ammo isn't particularly fun, it just isn't.

But one thing they could do, if they wanted to give the feel of different "ammo type" is make quivers an item slot. Quivers would come "pre packed" with certain arrow types. So for example, you could farm for a "fire arrow quiver", etc. That way, there could be more than 1 type of "ammo", without the need for an "ammo" slot.

i personally think they should reserver this for naval combat and have unique ammo that you can load if u have it when your on the cannon like bola shot or fire bomb or anti infantry. Its easy to do cause when ur on a cannon you can get a new hot bar 1 or left click can be normal attack and 2-0 can be unique ammo

GrappLr

Veeshan wrote: »

GrappLr wrote: »

Here's my personal take on this: Ammo isn't particularly fun, it just isn't.

But one thing they could do, if they wanted to give the feel of different "ammo type" is make quivers an item slot. Quivers would come "pre packed" with certain arrow types. So for example, you could farm for a "fire arrow quiver", etc. That way, there could be more than 1 type of "ammo", without the need for an "ammo" slot.

i personally think they should reserver this for naval combat and have unique ammo that you can load if u have it when your on the cannon like bola shot or fire bomb or anti infantry. Its easy to do cause when ur on a cannon you can get a new hot bar 1 or left click can be normal attack and 2-0 can be unique ammo

Sure, that works for cannons. Can also work for quivers. Can be for both or neither as well.

Adding more complexity to builds at a certain point is unnecessary. It could very well be the case that build diversity will be so high, that adding the option for "different" ammo is just unnecessary at that point.

Can't know until we've felt out the classes, augments, etc.

Veeshan

the issue with quivers is lets say there 10 ammo that needs 10 different buttons to use now thats 10 more action slots taken up and so on yo swap ammo.
Crowfall had quivers that made arrows have a different effect/weapon dmg type which could work
Blunt quiver - could stun and did bludgeoning
Slashing - Bonus dmg when target low hp, slashing dmg
Piecing- Bleeds and piercing dmg
fire - burn and fire dmg
ice - chance to root and ice dmg

I think this is fine for customisation but i dont think we should be doing say BG3 where there a bunch of ammo type and u need to click to use it it just gonna fill hot bars and shit up and not worth the hassle to juggle ammo.

GrappLr

Veeshan wrote: »

the issue with quivers is lets say there 10 ammo that needs 10 different buttons to use now thats 10 more action slots taken up and so on yo swap ammo.
Crowfall had quivers that made arrows have a different effect/weapon dmg type which could work
Blunt quiver - could stun and did bludgeoning
Slashing - Bonus dmg when target low hp, slashing dmg
Piecing- Bleeds and piercing dmg
fire - burn and fire dmg
ice - chance to root and ice dmg

I think this is fine for customisation but i dont think we should be doing say BG3 where there a bunch of ammo type and u need to click to use it it just gonna fill hot bars and shit up and not worth the hassle to juggle ammo.

Oh, you misunderstand my suggestion!

I meant more like:

1. Quiver of Frozen Wrath
2. Quiver of Fiery Wrath

Quiver 1 adds a frost effect. Quiver 2 adds a burning effect.

Basically, no such things as arrows. But the attribute of the quiver effects your arrows! The quiver is an equipment slot that effects your projectiles, that serves basically as arrows without needing "ammunition count". Make sense?

Veeshan

well thats same thing as what i said could work with crowfall quivers which change dmg type and gave effect chance, but the effect chance they could also just add to bows in regard to proc effect.

GrappLr

Veeshan wrote: »

well thats same thing as what i said could work with crowfall quivers which change dmg type and gave effect chance, but the effect chance they could also just add to bows in regard to proc effect.

I just think it's a more elegant solution to the immersion idea of "where are my arrows coming from".

Enigmatic Sage

I honestly prefer archers to to carry their own ammo and different types but I can see why they would want avoid that based on design. To me it's like planning out your encounter or adventure. In many games archer based classes just end up becoming bow casters (magic abilities channeled through bows, arrows, bolts etc).

Solvryn

hanoldbuddy wrote: »

First post and much respect to the team. Thank you for endeavoring to make such a game. Now to my question.

Will there be consumable ammo for rangers or other classes or perhaps ships with the potion launcher?
Will this improve stats while using them? Will classes be able to craft them?

Thanks!

No.

Most people don't know how to manage resources and consumables properly.

Raven016

Mages use mana. Mana potions are like ammo to them. Just that they drink the ammo before they spit it out through their staff.
Or maybe we should be call them energy drinks and let archers use them too, to be able to shoot arrows?

Tyranthraxus

Raven016 wrote: »

Mages use mana. Mana potions are like ammo to them. Just that they drink the ammo before they spit it out through their staff.
Or maybe we should be call them energy drinks and let archers use them too, to be able to shoot arrows?

Red Bull gives you arrows?

Raven016

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

Mages use mana. Mana potions are like ammo to them. Just that they drink the ammo before they spit it out through their staff.
Or maybe we should be call them energy drinks and let archers use them too, to be able to shoot arrows?

Red Bull gives you arrows?

Without it you should not be able to do this...

https://youtu.be/0257a-goFwE?t=962

... and I see no arrow when he zooms in

https://youtu.be/0257a-goFwE?t=823

Enigmatic Sage

@Raven016 it's a WIP and early alpha. I believe they mentioned that they were working on fixing that. That does not reflect final product obviously.

what's interesting is they are discussing about the empowering of abilities and charged shots for greater output variables. We may even see those arrows appearance change relatively to the empowerment degree.

Raven016

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Raven016 it's a WIP and early alpha. I believe they mentioned that they were working on fixing that. That does not reflect final product obviously.

what's interesting is they are discussing about the empowering of abilities and charged shots for greater output variables. We may even see those arrows appearance change relatively to the empowerment degree.

Wiki states that

All archetypes use mana to varying degrees.[3][4]

Even pure melee players use mana to manipulate The Essence for their extraordinary abilities.[6]

Sitting increases mana regeneration while out of combat.[2][7][1]

They could balance the regeneration to be slow enough to make sitting needed if you run out of mana potions.
That would make potions needed all the time. You would take a stack with you when leaving a city.
It is just a visual representation if you carry arrows or potions in your inventory. The concept can end up similar.

Enigmatic Sage

Raven016 wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

@Raven016 it's a WIP and early alpha. I believe they mentioned that they were working on fixing that. That does not reflect final product obviously.

what's interesting is they are discussing about the empowering of abilities and charged shots for greater output variables. We may even see those arrows appearance change relatively to the empowerment degree.

Wiki states that

All archetypes use mana to varying degrees.[3][4]

Even pure melee players use mana to manipulate The Essence for their extraordinary abilities.[6]

Sitting increases mana regeneration while out of combat.[2][7][1]

They could balance the regeneration to be slow enough to make sitting needed if you run out of mana potions.
That would make potions needed all the time. You would take a stack with you when leaving a city.
It is just a visual representation if you carry arrows or potions in your inventory. The concept can end up similar.

true. The same can be literally said about any resource bar.
Stamina is a resource bar, mana is a resource, energy is a resource bar. They're just coloured differently with a different name but essentially have the same purpose.

They do have plans for potions and what not but the goal is to not make the game a potion chugger. So there will more than likely be limitations and restrictions on use to prevent this. I think there was mention of it recently in one of the stream but I currently at the moment can not remember exactly which one or time stamp. It's been a question since the first combat reveal many have been wondering about.

Consumables come in many form but I believe the context is more specifically to ammo types such as armour piercing arrows. This could also be integrated as mentioned I believe by the devs in the type of quiver one may equip to augment abilities but I may be mistaken on that.

One thing I liked in SWTOR was the items essentially were interchangeable with augment slots for improvement. Maybe we will see something similar where it could be as simple as an enchant will augment an empowered ability to act more like an armour piercing round opposed to having them as a carried consumable? Could even just be a specific passive or active too.

Vaknar

Wooo! \o/ welcome to the forums and great first post!

Like @Azherae , @Tyranthraxus and others have mentioned, Steven did chat about bows and ammo not too long ago, which can be found on that wiki link!

Don't let that stop you from discussing that, though

Do you like games that have ammo? Why or why not?

What about ammo do you think would add to or diminish your experience in-game?

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