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A plea to humanity

Niem LumelNiem Lumel Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
edited October 2023 in General Discussion
Can we not promote racism in Ashes of Creation?

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I am utterly appalled that I even have to bring this up for discussion.

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  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack
    edited October 2023
    ye, the witcher would have been a great videogame adaptation if the devs took your advice. GoT would have been awesome too. What else.. the elder scrolls stuff, the warcraft series

    How about no?

    Here is my plea to creativity. Be fearless. Real racists get what they deserve. Real criminals get what they deserve. No sane person would get offended by racism in a fantasy world in which mobs, npcs, players attack each other with weapons and kill them.
    Don't be apologetic towards this insanity.
  • Niem Lumel wrote: »
    Can we not promote racism in Ashes of Creation?

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    I am utterly appalled that I even have to bring this up for discussion.

    I honestly don't even know how or why one would jump to a conclusion of racism based off such a vague description logically..

    Look at a lot of fantasy IP's using LOTR as a single example. Dwarves and elves don't like each other but it made for a comical interaction between Legolas and Gimli's character development. Conflict exists regardless of context in many stories through diversities.

    Let's not turn this into a political trashcan.
  • Niem Lumel wrote: »
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    In ESO, I'm a Vampire. When I talk to other vampires, they recognise me as such, and the quest dialogue is ever-so-slightly adapted to account for it.

    Instead of something like: "You probably didn't know, but vampires are hunted quite harshly around these parts."
    It'd be something like: "As you know, vampires are hunted quite harshly around these parts."

    Just relax and wait to see how it's done in Alpha-2. If there's a problem at that point, then we as a playerbase can address it to Intrepid.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • Killing endangered species, like dragons, should also be discouraged.
    How about approaching the winter dragon in a friendly manner?
  • SolvrynSolvryn Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    Niem Lumel wrote: »
    Can we not promote racism in Ashes of Creation?

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    I am utterly appalled that I even have to bring this up for discussion.

    You mean they should stop assets for humans, elves, dwarves, and orcs and go Tulnar only?

    I don't think Ashes would sell very well and I'm 100% Tulnar.
  • I will point out though, that's it's perfectly ok to mock and insult anyone of the Tulnar or Dwarf races.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • arsnnarsnn Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha One
    This is either bait, or just not worth it lol
  • HinotoriHinotori Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Niem Lumel wrote: »
    So you openly support racism in video games?

    Is this a meme?

    It spreads beyond the ingame npc chatter.

    Racism is already a part of ashes in the rivalrys people have built and the lore snippets we've seen and has been part of the community since day 1.

    Heck, the tulnar are inferior inbred lower races that couldn't figure out where to exit the cave.

    If you don't want to experience racism just avoid being a furry.

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  • KilionKilion Member
    edited October 2023
    Niem Lumel wrote: »
    Can we not promote racism in Ashes of Creation?

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    I am utterly appalled that I even have to bring this up for discussion.

    NPCs in Ashes:
    "Greetings, child of the Forest, how may I help you?"
    "Greetings, child of the Mountains, how may I help you?"

    Niem:
    "How... DARE you?!"

    Different treatment does not mean difference in respect.
    The answer is probably >>> HERE <<<
  • Niem Lumel wrote: »
    So you openly support racism in video games?

    thats not racist bruh.
  • @Niem Lumel to be honest, the thread feels like a way to project so one could call out people for being racists based on a difference of opinions in fantasy. That's pretty much the vibe I got from it.

    One could literally have controversies about anything in a fantasy game such as claiming thigs like:

    - cutting down tree is deforestation
    - all elf guilds are racists (or any all one race guild)
    - anyone with a predominately red flag is specifically an evil communist
    - taming/breeding pets and mounts is non-ethical
    - violence is bad, we should do sieges by giving compliments, remove anything that can be used a weapon

    Seems like a personal agenda to me but I hope that's not the case.
  • Tbh though racism in real if human race being asses to other people of the human race, its relay not racism when you get down to it :P
    Natasha wrote: »
    Niem Lumel wrote: »
    So you openly support racism in video games?

    Is this a meme?

    It spreads beyond the ingame npc chatter.

    Racism is already a part of ashes in the rivalrys people have built and the lore snippets we've seen and has been part of the community since day 1.

    Heck, the tulnar are inferior inbred lower races that couldn't figure out where to exit the cave.

    If you don't want to experience racism just avoid being a furry.

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    and in the tulnars eyes every other race are invader scum :p
  • Lil bro ends racism 💀
  • Nah, i ain't biting that mate, you're putting too little effort here.
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    Aren't we all sinners?
  • HeljyHeljy Member
    edited October 2023
    Niem Lumel wrote: »
    Can we not promote racism in Ashes of Creation?

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    I am utterly appalled that I even have to bring this up for discussion.

    Are you insinuating that showing racism in action is like promoting it?

    What promotes racism is to invisibilize it, to not talk about it nor show it.

    The example was cited above, but the most openly anti-racist literary I have read in the fantasy register is The Witcher, in which racism is omnipresent, and even has a major impact on the plot.

    Xenophobia is unfortunately inherent in our world, and showing it as it is helps raise awareness of its absurdity
  • Niem Lumel wrote: »
    Can we not promote racism in Ashes of Creation?

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    I am utterly appalled that I even have to bring this up for discussion.

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  • Niem Lumel wrote: »
    I believe I have endured enough anxiety for the last few hours. The Glorious community of Ashes of Creation has unanimously proven that they stand against humanitarian principles. I will request the work ethic of Intrepid Studios to be investigated. I cannot believe they have allowed this to happen. Stay blessed everyone.

    People don’t laugh because they condone racism. They laugh because you’re off topic. In short, you are offended for a supposed apology of racism, which is not.

    Several arguments have been put forward to explain it to you, but you are offended rather than trying to debate it. Your intention is commendable, but misplaced
  • Niem Lumel wrote: »
    So you openly support racism in video games?
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  • ShadonSolShadonSol Moderator, Member, Alpha One
    Heya everyone, I'm closing this thread since the discussion is going nowhere. I appreciate that ya'll stayed friendly during it.
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