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I'm building a new rig to prepare for 2024 Alpha2 testing please help me pick my parts.

bubinskibubinski Member, Alpha Two
edited October 2023 in General Discussion
Most MMORGP games rely on having lots of CPU and GPU power. I have a budget of around $4k for just the case and hardware inside. please help me build the best system I can for this budget.
things I would like.
[*] water cooling
[*] RBG
[*] glass side case

Comments

  • Enigmatic SageEnigmatic Sage Member
    Picking your CPU is the first step, that will determine which compatible mother boards you want and compatible ram etc
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Try ek fluid gaming USA. I'm not sure if you want to go full water cooling or not. Otherwise go to Newegg USA and check out the deals there.

    Water cooling, RGB and Glass Side Case aren't really the best specs to ask for us to build the system. You can build a 4000 dollar DDR4 system or a 4000 dollar DDR5 System with water cooling, RGB and Glass Side Case. Both would have different approaches though.
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  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited October 2023
    Use Amazon or somewhere else with deals for Halloween.

    Lian Li LI PC-O11 Dynamic EVO Black ATX Full Tower Gaming Computer Case - O11DEX

    Micro Center AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core16-Thread Desktop Processor Bundle with ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi AM5 (LGA1718) Ryzen 7000 Gaming Motherboard(DDR5, PCIe 5.0)

    G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL36-36-36-96 1.35V Desktop Computer Memory UDIMM - Matte Black (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5NR)

    MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDRR6X 384-Bit HDMI/DP Nvlink Tri-Frozr 3 Ada Lovelace Architecture OC Graphics Card (RTX 4090 Gaming X Slim 24G)

    Corsair MP600 PRO LPX 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe x4 Gen4 SSD - Optimized for PS5 (Up to 7,100MB/sec Sequential Read & 6,800MB/sec Sequential Write Speeds, High-Speed Interface, Compact Form Factor)

    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1000W, True 600W 12VHPWR Connectors on PSU & NVIDIA RTX 40 series, ATX 3.0/PCI-E 5.0 Ready, 80+ Gold, SLI/Crossfire Ready Power Supply, PS-TPD-1000FNFAGU-4, 10 Year Warranty

    Thermaltake Fittings

    Thermaltake Riing Trio Fans

    Thermaltake Pacific CL360 Radiator

    Thermaltake PR22-D5 Plus Pump Res Combo

    Thermaltake TT Mod Cable Extensions

    This would be in budget in my country if I built the machine myself. Not sure if you are USA Dollars or Australian Dollars etc so you'll have to check prices in your locality.

    Edit: If you can't water block the GPU yourself you could get MSI GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X 24G, V510-007R. You would also need an AIO for the cpu or a closed loop for the cpu. Two loops can be good or bad dependant on preference.
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  • syldonsyldon Member, Warrior of Old, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited October 2023
    Nvidia is releasing a new series of Super cards in January. It could save you a hundred euros on your GPU.
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  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    syldon wrote: »
    Nvidia is releasing a new series of Super cards in January. It could save you a hundred euros on your GPU.

    Yeah, or wait for Black Friday. Nvidia is a bit a bad egg in terms of price reductions. They don't always drop prices after a new release. Some 3090's are still full price.
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  • KnevahKnevah Member, Alpha Two
    It's 100% dependent on budget... personally if I built a machine today, and I wasn't trying to spend money for the sake of spending it, I'd buy an AMD Ryzen 7800X3D, and a Radeon 7800XT... I'd have 64GB RAM, and probably 4TB NVMe.

    You're going to sacrifice ray tracing by getting the AMD GPU in the current generation, but frames per $$ in normal rasterization, AMD wins hands down...
  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited October 2023
    rtx 40 series is a must

    Frame Generation that comes natively with Unreal Engine 5.2 and DLSS 3 is basically magic, it gives you like 30 extra FPS with one click to turn it on, even with CPU-bound games which is usually the case with MMOs

    there is now 100% chance that we will get very good performance during +500 people massive sieges because if they are making these massive sieges to be playable on 20 series and 30 series cards with at least 30~40 FPS (which is already great compared to other MMOs) people with 40 series are now guaranteed to have at least 60 fps with frame generation
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  • Enigmatic SageEnigmatic Sage Member
    @Liniker you implying we all need up-scalers like DLSS because the game optimisation is expected to be poor and the up-scalers are a must in order for it to be playable?
  • SweatycupSweatycup Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited October 2023
    Just wait to build till 2025 when more newer hardware comes out. New nvidia and amd gpu’s . Or just buy a mid tier gpu and replace it later with the newer 5090 which will most likely give double the performance. New ARM cpus come out in 2025 that might be worth it too from nvidia and amd.
  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    why you guys going for ryzen 7 and not 5? at least in Generation 5, there was no difference in gaming between ryzen 5, 7 or 9. it only mattered in more intensive tasks. is there something im missing? ive seen a couple of people suggest 7 and not 5 o.o to me, its either 5 or 9.
    64gb seems overkill, 32 is fine for gaming if you arent going to do anything more intensive than that.
    can never get enough storage though xD
    also, 4090 seems overkill for gaming...id say 4080 is fine
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Depraved wrote: »
    why you guys going for ryzen 7 and not 5? at least in Generation 5, there was no difference in gaming between ryzen 5, 7 or 9. it only mattered in more intensive tasks. is there something im missing? ive seen a couple of people suggest 7 and not 5 o.o to me, its either 5 or 9.
    64gb seems overkill, 32 is fine for gaming if you arent going to do anything more intensive than that.
    can never get enough storage though xD
    also, 4090 seems overkill for gaming...id say 4080 is fine

    I went with the 7 because its one of the best gaming chips on the market. AMD parts can either blister or flop (I still remember Phenom, Phenom 2 and the bulldozer days). Thus, its not advisable to be the first to get a new cpu chip from AMD. Also, I don't know what resolution the pc has to run so I went with 4090. However, 5090, 5070, 5080, 4080, even 4070 can all be considered. I did explain that the parameters stated for the build were not stringent enough to make a comprehensive build but I did one anyway. I also don't know the build competence of Bubinski so I also suggested pre-built hardware.
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  • Nova_terraNova_terra Member, Alpha Two
    Depraved wrote: »
    why you guys going for ryzen 7 and not 5? at least in Generation 5, there was no difference in gaming between ryzen 5, 7 or 9. it only mattered in more intensive tasks. is there something im missing? ive seen a couple of people suggest 7 and not 5 o.o to me, its either 5 or 9.
    64gb seems overkill, 32 is fine for gaming if you arent going to do anything more intensive than that.
    can never get enough storage though xD
    also, 4090 seems overkill for gaming...id say 4080 is fine

    The Ryzen X3D chips actually have meaningful uplift for gaming and are pound for pound the best gaming chips. For AM4 its the 5800x3d and AM5 its the 7800x3d which are both 7 chips. While I agree that the 5900x and 7900x (the ryzen 9s) are more for production tasks at least the x3d chips beat the pants off any of the other ryzen and intel offerings in efficiency and power as it relates to gaming (also notate that "beats the pants off of x" is also taking price to get said chip compared to like an intel 14900k).

    With all that said, I am sure we could build this person a computer but I agree with Neurath that we need more details like preferred resolution, expected benchmarks, etc. but we also have no insight into how demanding this game is (mmos typically aren't) but for 4000$ you could build a death machine so it would be fine either way.
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