Skill-Tree

Reference:
The difference between the wiki-graphic and the ranger-2-update.
Discussion Topics:
-freedome of choice
-in depth skilling
-visuals (so far)
-accessibility and understanding

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Bapfi_Boandl

I have to admit I am a hugh fan of the wiki image. It was a hugh buying aspect for me.

I couldn't wait to invest all my points in passives regarding the weapons i am using. Allowing me to boost my char to its limits while only using one or two active abilities. Now it looks more like the passives are restricted to the active abilities and the weapon choice.
Yes, the ranger-skill-tree has more in depth skilling for active abilities, which changes the ability itself. Isn't it easier and less time consuming to balance all 64 classes while using the wiki image? Do you really need to skill the various active abilites into your liking. Can't they change themself by using another subclass. What are subclasses for, if not for that? Also I couldn't see the passives regarding my char... Maybe I missed it, did I?
For the visuals: Yeah, they said they work on it...Despite that, it looks like any other MMO-Skill-Tree. If you look at the wiki-image you can see all possibilitys at the same time which leads to the last topic: accessibility and understanding.
One small window for all your possible skill-point-investments: great overview. simple to understand. straightforward. Fast decision making possible while restricted to the easiest. Compared to that we have the ranger-skill-tree. Well, it is quite the opposite: several tabs; a maze of abilities with several starting points and overall clunky as hell. Also it triggers the image of using unnecessary points on the way to invest in the thing you want later...

Summory:
In my opinion they have gone overboard with the ranger-skill-tree. Why wanna complicate things if easy is the better/faster option...

Ludullu

The new fully upgraded tree looks confusing as fuck. Obviously it'll be more understandable when we go from nothing, but I personally prefer simplistic direct visuals.

Myosotys

NiKr wrote: »

The new fully upgraded tree looks confusing as fuck. Obviously it'll be more understandable when we go from nothing, but I personally prefer simplistic direct visuals.

Yeah exactly, it's always confusing to see a full tech tree if you didn't add the skills one by one during several weeks )

Thokan

I like a good tree. Looks totally alright for a first iteration with barely any skills

Raven016

For me none of the options is ok.
But as I do not have the game to hover the mouse and read the skills and think what to choose, I cannot estimate how hard is to get used to it.
At least the 2nd version looks more interesting, like a puzzle

Depraved

NiKr wrote: »

The new fully upgraded tree looks confusing as fuck. Obviously it'll be more understandable when we go from nothing, but I personally prefer simplistic direct visuals.

i dont know where the starting point of the 2nd tree is T_T i think its at the bottom but im not sure omg

Myosotys

For me, the most important is not the icon but the explanations about how the sill works...

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

i dont know where the starting point of the 2nd tree is T_T i think its at the bottom but im not sure omg

Judging by the arrows, there's several starting points - not a single one.

Depraved

NiKr wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

i dont know where the starting point of the 2nd tree is T_T i think its at the bottom but im not sure omg

Judging by the arrows, there's several starting points - not a single one.

no those are like..."get this first to unlock this one" arrows

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

no those are like..."get this first to unlock this one" arrows

Yeah, and they don't all have the same starting point. There's several beginnings.

Bapfi_Boandl

--sry posted twice due to technical issues--

please feel free to add more...

Bapfi_Boandl

Depraved wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

The new fully upgraded tree looks confusing as fuck. Obviously it'll be more understandable when we go from nothing, but I personally prefer simplistic direct visuals.

i dont know where the starting point of the 2nd tree is T_T i think its at the bottom but im not sure omg

For me it looks like there are more than one starting point. select a active and then passives

Voxtrium

Honestly the color organization alone made understanding the skill tree quite easy so I disagree.

Enigmatic Sage

Shapes vs Colours

I'm fine with the talent tree as long as it has structural sense to it. It should have options to start on whatever branch you want. As long as there is something good to work towards eventually.

Voeltz

I would like to see something like Darktides talent trees. Theirs are really nice because you have many crossover points where you can get to other abilities that aren't apart of the same path. Most games will force you down one path that you may not be entirely interested in, but this system gives you much more freedom over your build.

Trickster

I hope they release a skill calculator where you can do your build before applying on your character so you can have a general look on how your character will look like on end game, something similar to: https://archeagecodex.com/us/calc/

There you can build up the class and skills according to your level, and see how your skills will look like in the end

Bapfi_Boandl

@Trickster Wouldn`t a calculator take away the exploration aspect between the classes/subclasses? On the other hand if Intrepid doesn't release a claculator, someone of the community is going to do one definitly. Is a calculator needed anyway? They say you can change the subclasses easy so i guess this shoud affect the skill points as well?

Amazing topic you brought up....

Trickster

Bapfi_Boandl wrote: »

@Trickster Wouldn`t a calculator take away the exploration aspect between the classes/subclasses? On the other hand if Intrepid doesn't release a claculator, someone of the community is going to do one definitly. Is a calculator needed anyway? They say you can change the subclasses easy so i guess this shoud affect the skill points as well?

Amazing topic you brought up....

Well, the way I can express my feelings about it is.. As a competitive player who loves PvP, I always strive to create the best setup for my character. Having a dedicated tool instead of tinkering with the in-game skill tree is much more efficient. Furthermore, it enables people to continually innovate, sharing their builds. By doing so, you naturally gain a deeper understanding of your skills and how they perform in PvP.

Depraved

Bapfi_Boandl wrote: »

@Trickster Wouldn`t a calculator take away the exploration aspect between the classes/subclasses?

it wouldnt. you still want to test your builds and try them out to see how they feel nd if they are effective. a calculator would just help you with the theory.

also not everyone would be interested in that "exploration" aspect. it isnt a bad thing.

i also want a calculator. hell, i might even make one myself xD

Dygz

Bapfi_Boandl wrote: »

First i miss the character passives. Maybe I missed it on the stream, did I? I really enjoy investing all my skill points into passives and only play with one or two active abilities.

what are your thoughts.. feel free to add more...

Active Skills are square.
Passive Skills are round.

Kinda difficult to demonstrate Passives.
But, yes... seems like now you have to spec into the associated Active Skill before gaining access to the Passive Skills.

I'd have to see what the updated Skill Tree looks like for Cleric to know how I feel about this change in the UI.
(Because I played Cleric in Alpha 1)

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