Tab targeting combat in PvP makes no sense today.

How about guys, I want to give my opinion on the tab target, I know there are many discussions about this, but we have to remind intrepid that the tab target is obsolete and I understand that Steven wants to make an old school mmorp, but I disagree in delivering the tab target and especially in pvp since we could not dodge certain targeted abilities.

For me it doesn't make sense since it would be extremely easy to cast skills and I think that even a noob could kill anyone without having to use their developed skills (action combat), it is reasonable that the tab target is used in pve, they are compatible since we are killing npcs or mobs. But adding tab target to pvp does not make sense, since pvp has great synchronization with action combat, apart from improving your skills with mouse control and launching skills (keyboard) among others. In my opinion they should automatically disable the target tab for pvp. I know it's hybrid combat, but I wanted to give this suggestion.

What do you guys think?

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Pyrolol

How else would you like to target massive hordes of players? When there is a cluster of animations people will be struggling to select targets

Unless you make some sort of keybinds for target 1,2,3 (maybe for instanced PvP areas) then again how does it know in open world? etc tab just makes it so it select closest one and cycles
How do you suggest you target other than manually with a mouse?

Ludullu

This is not a shooter, nor is it a fighter. Majority of action mmos rely on aoes as their main skill mechanic because majority of people are shit at aiming anything precisely (especially in an mmo setting that usually implies higher ping).

Tab is not obsolete and it fits pvp just right, it's simply a different approach to pvp.

So no, tab should never be turned off. And humans are also no different from mobs, so I see no reason why combat against either should be treated differently.

Mag7spy

They need more action elements so I'll be looking forward to see how they implement more soft target / action combat features. I get how mmorpgs are with tab making a lower skill ceiling and is easier for player, but since we are talking about pvp skill should definitely be a thing and not all rangers / mages tab target and melt someone without missing.

Arya_Yeshe

Tabbing targets in the direction the camera is facing

Thank you

Diamaht

No thanks, I don't want to play a shooter. Its not obsolete when all of the most popular mmos, and I mean all of them, have tab targeting.

Solvryn

Sauronplay wrote: »

How about guys, I want to give my opinion on the tab target, I know there are many discussions about this, but we have to remind intrepid that the tab target is obsolete and I understand that Steven wants to make an old school mmorp, but I disagree in delivering the tab target and especially in pvp since we could not dodge certain targeted abilities.

For me it doesn't make sense since it would be extremely easy to cast skills and I think that even a noob could kill anyone without having to use their developed skills (action combat), it is reasonable that the tab target is used in pve, they are compatible since we are killing npcs or mobs. But adding tab target to pvp does not make sense, since pvp has great synchronization with action combat, apart from improving your skills with mouse control and launching skills (keyboard) among others. In my opinion they should automatically disable the target tab for pvp. I know it's hybrid combat, but I wanted to give this suggestion.

What do you guys think?

I think we need to see what the action mode does when its properly done so we can see which skills actually work when its turned on.

We are supposedly to be able to aim abilities as a function of the game. Last we heard the action toggle isn't working functionally.

Dygz

Tab Target is not obsolete - especially not for RPGs.
Including Action Skills is great, though.

HybridSR

Delete thread. I lost braincells reading OP

Kilion

I think, you overlooked one curcial detail: Skillshots of all sorts have greater damage potential than tab target abilities (Edit: also status effects might be stronger and longer overall). Therefore a player in PvP who has skill will ALWAYS outperform players who rely on tab target spells.

As a result anyone going into PvP thinking "I just tab target and kill them all" is going to be at a disadvantage from the get go. Which leads to the conclusion that there is no need to exclude those skills from PvP. If someone takes a spoon to a knife fight and you are still rewarded for winning - that sounds like a good deal to me.

Jhoren

Tab target is the future of MMORPGs. Also the past and present.

AidanKD

I really don't understand the obsession with people thinking that game mechanics are locked behind the decade the game was developed in.

We've seen a resurgence in pixel games, and Baldurs Gate 3 literally won GOTY and is killing it.

When was the last tab based MMO release you remember? All the latest I am aware of have ALL been action.

And yet the most successful MMOs are STILL... WoW, FF14 etc (to a lesser degree GW2?)

The type of combat is simply a choice and it's not about one being better worse - they just allow for different systems.

Action games tend to have less abilities, more mobility mechanics baked in or skill based systems (i.e. dodge, parry/timed attacks/defense).

Tab games tend to have more abilities, more focus on itemisation and stats.

There can be overlaps - but this is the general trend. It's very clear there is still a huge audience that are happy to play Tab games - and for them wouldn't it be nice if a successful tab based MMO released after* literally like 2013 (FF14 ARR release). That's over 10 years.

Ludullu

I know it's nowhere as easy as that, but I feel like tab could be made "action-like" by tying evasion to both phys and magic attacks and then having i-frames-like increase in evasion when you dodge, so that all the action players can still feel that they're doing some actioney stuff, while the underlying system is still basically full tab.

Action players can build the chars with lower evasion, because they can balance that out through dodges, while tab players can boost their evasion if they feel that their dodging skills are shit.

Garrtok

Find tab targeting super boring

joeyohknow

NiKr wrote: »

This is not a shooter, nor is it a fighter. Majority of action mmos rely on aoes as their main skill mechanic because majority of people are shit at aiming anything precisely (especially in an mmo setting that usually implies higher ping).

Tab is not obsolete and it fits pvp just right, it's simply a different approach to pvp.

So no, tab should never be turned off. And humans are also no different from mobs, so I see no reason why combat against either should be treated differently.

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Pyrolol

Garrtok wrote: »

Find tab targeting super boring

And what’s the alternative?

kuldar1994

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Tabbing targets in the direction the camera is facing

Thank you

This is similar to ESO targeting and I think it's good balance between tab and action. Also I remember Steven mentioning something about "soft lock" so I assumed it can be sort of what they're trying to do already.

BlessedCRS

Sauronplay wrote: »

How about guys, I want to give my opinion on the tab target, I know there are many discussions about this, but we have to remind intrepid that the tab target is obsolete and I understand that Steven wants to make an old school mmorp, but I disagree in delivering the tab target and especially in pvp since we could not dodge certain targeted abilities.

For me it doesn't make sense since it would be extremely easy to cast skills and I think that even a noob could kill anyone without having to use their developed skills (action combat), it is reasonable that the tab target is used in pve, they are compatible since we are killing npcs or mobs. But adding tab target to pvp does not make sense, since pvp has great synchronization with action combat, apart from improving your skills with mouse control and launching skills (keyboard) among others. In my opinion they should automatically disable the target tab for pvp. I know it's hybrid combat, but I wanted to give this suggestion.

What do you guys think?

In my opinion I grew up on tab targeting games it’s not obsolete, that being said I love the feel of combat in games like new world action combat system. I believe this games offer both so I don’t see any problems with that. Some people suck with tab targeting games and some suck with action combat giving us the option to choose will give players the power to gameplay how they want and I love that.

Atrazia

Tab target > action combat in most cases. You just can't reliably target a player with action combat in a massive fight.

Smaashley

Plus, AoE skills in action combat is annoying. So Tab target > action combat.

mcstackerson

Atrazia wrote: »

Tab target > action combat in most cases. You just can't reliably target a player with action combat in a massive fight.

How is this a bad thing?

I see this as a good thing. Mass pvp in tab games is hell, especially for melee, since it's too easy for people to target and focus you down. You are not able to enjoy the fight since you die almost instantly.

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