Transmogs: Yay or Nay?

Hello all!

I wanted to post here and ask what your feelings on transmogs are. This topic recently came up in our Tavern Talk stream and I wanted to see what everyone else thought.

I think transmog has always been a favorite part of gameplay for me. I have never once worried about what class someone else was or feeling cheated because they seemed to be a different armor type than they were. If I was attacked by someone (with or without transmog on), I just usually worried about keeping my health up while keeping theirs down.

I do get it from a threat assessment perspective which is why I think the way Ashes of Creation is handling it works just fine for me (locked by armor class type)

Full info of what we know so far from the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Appearance_slots

If you want to hear mor of our thoughts: https://youtu.be/O27Jqrec1TY

Thanks to @Vlhadus, @Ryve, Killer and @oraclethewhite for joining us~

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Yuyukoyay

I'm against totally free transmog. I think it should cost a crap ton of money and it should be limited based on rarity of the item you use it on. So you can only transmog within that rarity. At least that way you avoid the cypress stick looking like a world ending weapon with sparkly particle effects.

CROW3

I prefer folks be able to make their toon look however they want, with one caveat: you can only xmog like materials. Cloth to cloth. Plate to plate.

So no full plate tanks walking around in what appear to be bathrobes, and no clothie mages bouncing around in a frock that looks like full-plate.

Nerror

I definitely want like-to-like for transmogs, both for armor and weapons. A 2H sword should look like a 2H sword, not a staff. I am curious what they end up doing though. In some twitch stream (not dev stream), Margaret said that transmogs in Ashes are not like transmogs in WoW, but she didn't elaborate at all.

However, we unfortunately know that the store-bought costumes already break the like-for-like system. You can absolutely be wearing full plate and look like this (except for the staff):

I hope those become the exceptions and not something they keep doing in the shop in the future, including after release.

Ludullu

I vehemently despise transmog with all my being. But I know that I'm in the super minority, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.

TheDarkSorcerer

I'm all for appearance slots / transmog. But should be class based. We can sit here and say all day we don't want Fashion of Creation. But devs will quickly see having options on appearance will play a big role here.

Aszkalon

chibibree wrote: »

I wanted to post here and ask what your feelings on transmogs are.

Gladly. Thanks for having us.

chibibree wrote: »

I think transmog has always been a favorite part of gameplay for me.

For me as well. " Since " the very Days i experienced this Feature in (now Worst) of Warcraft,
i loved it. It allows Players to wear their strongest Armors, Equipments, whatever - and still lets them look stylish and fashioned in their prefered Choice.

Invaluable for Roleplay sometimes.

chibibree wrote: »

Full info of what we know so far from the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Appearance_slots

The Advantage of Players able to transmog their Armors,

is that their " Strength " is not bound to the Looks of what they wear - and the other way around. They can look like a Civilian of a Node - and still kick major butt in an Instance for Example.

Otherwise,
in most Scenarios - "and" Role-Play Scenarios, you would always have Players for Example dressed in the currently strongest Armors of the Game - when they play in Areas or Instances where this would be required for them to actually get somewhere.

Yes,
Role-Play can also happen while being in serious PvE-Combat. This is one of the very Scenarios in which Transmogs can absolutely rock.

CROW3

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

I'm all for appearance slots / transmog. But should be class based.

Well, any class can wear any armor, so what do you mean?

Myosotys

chibibree wrote: »

Hello all!

I wanted to post here and ask what your feelings on transmogs are. This topic recently came up in our Tavern Talk stream and I wanted to see what everyone else thought.

I think transmog has always been a favorite part of gameplay for me. I have never once worried about what class someone else was or feeling cheated because they seemed to be a different armor type than they were. If I was attacked by someone (with or without transmog on), I just usually worried about keeping my health up while keeping theirs down.

I do get it from a threat assessment perspective which is why I think the way Ashes of Creation is handling it works just fine for me (locked by armor class type)

Full info of what we know so far from the wiki: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Appearance_slots

If you want to hear mor of our thoughts: https://youtu.be/O27Jqrec1TY

Thanks to @Vlhadus, @Ryve, Killer and @oraclethewhite for joining us~

According to me Transmog sux.
Cosmetics, skins and customizations are much better.

MMORPG are social games, so I'd like to see quests, material farming, craft, trade, to change look.

For example, the aesthetics of a plate armor must be able to be enhanced by crafters using inks, metals or other ingredients.

Clicking a button to look like a magician in a robe when you're a paladin in plate armor is ridiculous...

And if Intrepid relies on transmog to keep the store going, thenI think it's time to find other things to sell.

Voeltz

Transmog should be limited to the type of gear it belongs to, Cloth to Cloth, Heavy to Heavy, 2H Sword to 2h Sword. Same with Mounts. Unfortunately they chose to break this system with Costumes which can be applied without restriction. Pray that Costumes do not become a common thing to see in game and do not become a staple on the cosmetic store because it will ruin target acquisition or as you called it threat assessment in PvP.

Otr

NiKr wrote: »

I vehemently despise transmog with all my being. But I know that I'm in the super minority, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.

I have the "transmog" word because is something which I assume comes from WoW.
And it was never clear to me what the word means because I didn't played that game.
But I customized my appearance in other games if the game allowed it.
I am not addicted to become flashy, I chose dim colors, to be able to pass unseen, to bled with the environment if needed.
And I will buy cosmetics during Alpha 2 if I like them. Hopefully those will match the game aesthetics at least during the Alpha.

Myosotys

Otr wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

I vehemently despise transmog with all my being. But I know that I'm in the super minority, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.

I have the "transmog" word because is something which I assume comes from WoW.
And it was never clear to me what the word means because I didn't played that game.
But I customized my appearance in other games if the game allowed it.
I am not addicted to become flashy, I chose dim colors, to be able to pass unseen, to bled with the environment if needed.
And I will buy cosmetics during Alpha 2 if I like them. Hopefully those will match the game aesthetics at least during the Alpha.

Cosmetics = clothes/gear with various skin that change your apperance
Transmog = changing your appearance without having to change your clothes or gear.

Transmog is an illusion when cosmetics are real (real IG so not really real but real. Anyway...).

Otr

Myosotys wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

I vehemently despise transmog with all my being. But I know that I'm in the super minority, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.

I have the "transmog" word because is something which I assume comes from WoW.
And it was never clear to me what the word means because I didn't played that game.
But I customized my appearance in other games if the game allowed it.
I am not addicted to become flashy, I chose dim colors, to be able to pass unseen, to bled with the environment if needed.
And I will buy cosmetics during Alpha 2 if I like them. Hopefully those will match the game aesthetics at least during the Alpha.

Cosmetics = clothes/gear with various skin that change your apperance
Transmog = changing your appearance without having to change your clothes or gear.

Transmog is an illusion when cosmetics are real (real IG so not really real but real. Anyway...).

Like Throne and Liberty where players transform into animals?

Korela

Oh, I like transmogs, skins and cosmetics, but with one nice rule: locking all skills and reducing all stats by 99%. Be as stupid or cool as you want, at the cost of being useless during combat. Sounds fair and a lot of fun to me

Myosotys

Otr wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

I vehemently despise transmog with all my being. But I know that I'm in the super minority, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.

I have the "transmog" word because is something which I assume comes from WoW.
And it was never clear to me what the word means because I didn't played that game.
But I customized my appearance in other games if the game allowed it.
I am not addicted to become flashy, I chose dim colors, to be able to pass unseen, to bled with the environment if needed.
And I will buy cosmetics during Alpha 2 if I like them. Hopefully those will match the game aesthetics at least during the Alpha.

Cosmetics = clothes/gear with various skin that change your apperance
Transmog = changing your appearance without having to change your clothes or gear.

Transmog is an illusion when cosmetics are real (real IG so not really real but real. Anyway...).

Like Throne and Liberty where players transform into animals?

Yes certainly.

Otr

Thieves should have skills to

Myosotys wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

I vehemently despise transmog with all my being. But I know that I'm in the super minority, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.

I have the "transmog" word because is something which I assume comes from WoW.
And it was never clear to me what the word means because I didn't played that game.
But I customized my appearance in other games if the game allowed it.
I am not addicted to become flashy, I chose dim colors, to be able to pass unseen, to bled with the environment if needed.
And I will buy cosmetics during Alpha 2 if I like them. Hopefully those will match the game aesthetics at least during the Alpha.

Cosmetics = clothes/gear with various skin that change your apperance
Transmog = changing your appearance without having to change your clothes or gear.

Transmog is an illusion when cosmetics are real (real IG so not really real but real. Anyway...).

Like Throne and Liberty where players transform into animals?

Yes certainly.

Then it should be called shapeshifting and be specific to certain classes only, if it happens here in AoC.
I don't know what the lore of Throne and Liberty is but I suspect if everyone can shapeshift into animals, there will be no mounts.

And now that I search for shapeshifting, I see there is already something
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Transformation

Ludullu

Otr wrote: »

I have the "transmog" word because is something which I assume comes from WoW.
And it was never clear to me what the word means because I didn't played that game.
But I customized my appearance in other games if the game allowed it.
I am not addicted to become flashy, I chose dim colors, to be able to pass unseen, to bled with the environment if needed.
And I will buy cosmetics during Alpha 2 if I like them. Hopefully those will match the game aesthetics at least during the Alpha.

I hate it all. Cosmetics, transmog, skins, whatever. Anything that prevents me from seeing what my enemy is wearing is shite

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

I vehemently despise transmog with all my being. But I know that I'm in the super minority, so my opinion doesn't matter at all.

Something we agree on - both points.

However, it will just be a fact of life in Ashes that players will be able to look as if they are wearing items of a type other than what they are wearing - and as this is a monetary decision, is kind of not up for debate.

Sadly.

CROW3

NiKr wrote: »

I hate it all. Cosmetics, transmog, skins, whatever. Anything that prevents me from seeing what my enemy is wearing is shite

Ha! It’s ok - we still like you. 🤣

Otr

NiKr wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

I have the "transmog" word because is something which I assume comes from WoW.
And it was never clear to me what the word means because I didn't played that game.
But I customized my appearance in other games if the game allowed it.
I am not addicted to become flashy, I chose dim colors, to be able to pass unseen, to bled with the environment if needed.
And I will buy cosmetics during Alpha 2 if I like them. Hopefully those will match the game aesthetics at least during the Alpha.

I hate it all. Cosmetics, transmog, skins, whatever. Anything that prevents me from seeing what my enemy is wearing is shite

Chibibree dressed like an angel would definitely kill me. I would not realize what happens until it's over and I would still not believe it.

Texas

Throw me in with the nays. I respect people who make.creative RP sets, but I want to see the actual armor they are wearing.

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