Summoner wishlist

What are some ideas for summoner you wish to see?

I remember from other mmo summoner was unique with not just playing as your character but also micromanaging your "pet". It was hard to play but those who trained were then able to solo some bosses that other classes couldn't solo. That's what I'd like to see.

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Vospha

Personally I would like to tame creatures or breed creatures to use at summons and hopefully they have seperate levelling than the player, I think levelling different summons from level 1 or capturing different levels and tiers of creatures will be super cool!

I know secondary augements will change what you can summon so this might not be possible, unless that add this as an additional option kinda thing.

Clonage

Specific roles for summons(Tank/DPS/Support).
Summons should have different visuals to represent different power levels. If we allocate skill points into a specific summon that grants them new skills or improved stats/effects, they should become visually different(Evolved?).
Grant an unique party buff or debuff depending on the current summon being used.(no other class can grant the unique buff/debuff)
Unique Mechanics not present in other classes, also dependent on the current summon being used Ex: Offensive Buff Removal, Fear, Conditional CC Protection/Accuracy

Temporary Fusions. Fuse 2 different summons OR fuse the summons essence into the Caster, sacrificing it, for extra effects and/or empowered skills.

Solvryn

My first wish-list is the teams take on Summoner from what they stated in the past and they avoid Demonology Warlock, GW/GW2 Necro, and Spiritmaster from Aion as any sort of inspiration at all costs.

My second wish is they look at things like Diablo Druid, the new Spiritborn class from D4; GW2 Ranger Druid, Elementalist and Engineer ability implementation, Mesmer, (1+2) etc in ability and summon implementation.

Wardens animal spirit theme and Necromancers undead theme from ESO are much more appropriate and better attempts at what a summoner is than a lot of summoner types.

Aszkalon

Immortui wrote: »

Summoner wishlist

What are some ideas for summoner you wish to see ?

Siege* Summons.

" In general " Summons that may require several Summoners or single Summoners to work together with someone else. You know, just the cool Stuff.

Of Course a Summoner-Showcase in the first Place. It is the Class i want to play after all. But i actually want to see more than what the Summoner can do Solo. I also wish to see right away what he can do, when he combines his Powers with those of other Summoners.

Siege Summons are a great Opportunity for this Game. I mean Yes, People can "craft" Siege Vehicles and Stuff anyway : but why not including Summoners ? They LITERALLY summon Stuff from another Plane and Realm.

Halae

My dream for Summoner is to go full Pokemon Master on it. Not with capturing pets, that's the animal husbandry system (which I'll be taking part in as well, but it's not the relevant bit here) but in terms of how it plays out mid-combat.

This particular idea is that your pet character is the one doing most of the work. When you take an action, the pet is the one that performs it. This can still absolutely cost you mana to do, that's reasonable, but for most actions the pet should be the one acting, with you directing it on how, including moving them out of AoEs, choosing when to use interrupt skills, and so on. Commands should be snappy and responsive, but powerful; most of the summoner's effectiveness needs to come from commands, to suit the class fantasy.

The other thing that needs to happen is customizing your pet. This kind of class fantasy requires it, because the core conceit of your character revolves around the concept of your pet being yours, personally. Mind, if the animal husbandry system is all it's cracked up to be, reusing it for the summoner's pet customization will be a no-brainer, but it still needs to be said, though that's just appearance customization. Stat customization should also be a priority, to allow you to fill specific roles better or optimize for things.

Sunboy

Anti magic fields. The thing about summons and conjuration is that it’s not affected by spell resistance since it’s not just created magic. It’s a living being or a force of nature that penetrates that pesky anti magic shit.

SnowElf

Always wanted the summoner to be able to turn into a summon as a part of a rotation, for a very brief period of time. Imagine being able to turn into Shiva or Ifrit. The concept just sounds insanely OP tho lol.

You can make some pretty sick summons from the sprites Intrepid has created WHICH JUST REMINDED ME that we're entering Alpha 2 in October and Steven and the gang are big fans of the Halloween

Headless Horseman's mount as a summon confirmed.

Kidding. All jokes aside,

I just hope the summons are sick and creative. Hybrid summoners will have some unique stuff I'd wager, depending on what other archetype they pair themselves with.

Who knows, maybe even Summoners abilities could be tied to the realm of Verra.
Maybe you're near a body of water and your summon changes element, or it's powers are enhanced because of being near water instead.

One thing that I hope Intrepid also nail with the summoner is the armor. They did the Bard showcase very well and that armor looks perfect. Each showcase gives us a flavor of a new armor that is I guess you could say, representative of the archetype, no?

I wonder what people associate summoners to wear.
Golden anklets and bracers? Whispy/flowy robes?

But no.. as a Necromancer.. they would be much darker... The grim reaper of armors! :O!!!

DELORIN

Vospha wrote: »

Personally I would like to tame creatures or breed creatures to use at summons and hopefully they have seperate levelling than the player, I think levelling different summons from level 1 or capturing different levels and tiers of creatures will be super cool!

I know secondary augements will change what you can summon so this might not be possible, unless that add this as an additional option kinda thing.

I also have a similar idea as that one you have.

The summon will have a leveling system similar to the players. So with this in mind, we cant just let the "PLAYER" and "SUMMON" get the same experience points compared to non summoner class. The experience gain from killing mobs will be split into two. e.g. 100 experience will be split to 50 exp to player and 50 to the summon. These handicap will help balance the class a bit more as it would require people to invest twice as much time as a normal class.

In addition to that, the concept to having multiple summons up at the same time would be neat to have. Initially if you only have one summon up, it will only use up a little bit of mana (E.g. 1 mana per second) but as you summon a 2nd one, your mana will start to deplete more (Changing from 1 mana per second to maybe 10 mana per second). The more you summon the more mana it takes to keep them up. Possibly also have higher mana per second for higher level summons.

As the "SUMMON" levels up, a little bit of "PLAYER" stats will be shared with the summon. The higher their level the higher the stats they will share.

Immortui

Halae wrote: »

My dream for Summoner is to go full Pokemon Master on it. Not with capturing pets, that's the animal husbandry system (which I'll be taking part in as well, but it's not the relevant bit here) but in terms of how it plays out mid-combat.

This particular idea is that your pet character is the one doing most of the work. When you take an action, the pet is the one that performs it. This can still absolutely cost you mana to do, that's reasonable, but for most actions the pet should be the one acting, with you directing it on how, including moving them out of AoEs, choosing when to use interrupt skills, and so on. Commands should be snappy and responsive, but powerful; most of the summoner's effectiveness needs to come from commands, to suit the class fantasy.

The other thing that needs to happen is customizing your pet. This kind of class fantasy requires it, because the core conceit of your character revolves around the concept of your pet being yours, personally. Mind, if the animal husbandry system is all it's cracked up to be, reusing it for the summoner's pet customization will be a no-brainer, but it still needs to be said, though that's just appearance customization. Stat customization should also be a priority, to allow you to fill specific roles better or optimize for things.

Pokemon like - yes, I want to see my pet doing the stuff but I'd also like to see myself being as sort of a mage having my own spells too. Not fully depending just on my pet.
When it comes to for example moving my summon out of enemy aoe, Id like to see maybe some "strategy" tab that tells my summon what to do in certain situaton. For example "when slow is applied run towards the summoner" as a "retreat strategy" for example. This I don't see as being a macro in the sense "In case of being slowed use this and that spell to heal and cleanse..."

Also I'm interested how do you feel about you being attached to your summon that for example when your summon dies you also take some hit, or get some effect. Similarly to you being buffed gives the buff also to your summon. In my childhood mmo 4story there was buff that would split the dmg taken by your summon between him and yourself, making your summon more tanky. Id love to see some kind of connection like that in AoC.

Immortui

SnowElf wrote: »

Always wanted the summoner to be able to turn into a summon as a part of a rotation, for a very brief period of time. Imagine being able to turn into Shiva or Ifrit. The concept just sounds insanely OP tho lol.

You can make some pretty sick summons from the sprites Intrepid has created WHICH JUST REMINDED ME that we're entering Alpha 2 in October and Steven and the gang are big fans of the Halloween !!
Headless Horseman's mount as a summon confirmed.

Kidding. All jokes aside,

I just hope the summons are sick and creative. Hybrid summoners will have some unique stuff I'd wager, depending on what other archetype they pair themselves with.

Who knows, maybe even Summoners abilities could be tied to the realm of Verra.
Maybe you're near a body of water and your summon changes element, or it's powers are enhanced because of being near water instead.

One thing that I hope Intrepid also nail with the summoner is the armor. They did the Bard showcase very well and that armor looks perfect. Each showcase gives us a flavor of a new armor that is I guess you could say, representative of the archetype, no?

I wonder what people associate summoners to wear.
Golden anklets and bracers? Whispy/flowy robes?

But no.. as a Necromancer.. they would be much darker... The grim reaper of armors! :O!!!

When it comes to armor, I believe they said any class can wear any armor same as weapons, correct me if Im wrong. So far I liked all the sets they have shown. Also looking at all the primary summoner classes gives me multiple different flavours of summoner and the armor should be flavoured as well. If I played Enchanter I wanna look a certain way versus if I play Beastmaster of Shadowmancer I want to look a different way.
I really hope there is way to customize the armor, dying it and upgrading it. I remember them showing upgrading a weapon and it looked pretty good for Alpha game. I hope we see more of upgrading armor too.

Halae

Immortui wrote: »

Also I'm interested how do you feel about you being attached to your summon that for example when your summon dies you also take some hit, or get some effect. Similarly to you being buffed gives the buff also to your summon. In my childhood mmo 4story there was buff that would split the dmg taken by your summon between him and yourself, making your summon more tanky. Id love to see some kind of connection like that in AoC.

Oh, this is actually quite simple; I want the summoner to be able to split some of its damage onto its summoned critter, making the summoner much more likely to survive AoEs and just be tanky in general, but if the summon dies they are the squishiest class in the game. That way, if you're incautious about how much damage your pet is taking, you'll suddenly be in an extremely vulnerable position while waiting for your resummoning ritual.

Immortui wrote: »

When it comes to armor, I believe they said any class can wear any armor same as weapons, correct me if Im wrong.

This is correct, for the record. While standard armors will have the 'normal' varieties of stat types on the gear (such as tanking stats on full plate), any craftsman will be able to adjust the equipment they design to have different stats and different cosmetic effects on the gear in question. Thus, it'll be possible to wear something like a robe with constitution as its primary stat, or full plate with intelligence.

Aszkalon

SnowElf wrote: »

Always wanted the summoner to be able to turn into a summon as a part of a rotation, for a very brief period of time. Imagine being able to turn into Shiva or Ifrit. The concept just sounds insanely OP tho lol.

Siege* Summon.

Let the Summoner participate into a Summoning-Ritual with like +7 other Summoners or so. The very One Summoner who started the Ritual, becomes the Summon/gains Control over the Summon.

Let there be Havoc. Let there be Chaos and Terror. As a mighty Siege-Golem, Bone-Golem, Earth/Mud/Flesh/Stone/"Spirit(?)"-whatever Golem hammers against a Cities Walls,

causing small, Earthquake-like Tremors upon the Guards Walkway ontop of the Wall - making Movement for all Enemy Players up there a bit slippery and more difficult.

If we want to balance/weaken such a thing,

while not making it so that the Summoner who controls the Siege Summon -> is left vulnerable with the Body being slumped down or lying down defenseless ? Meaning his Allies need to protect him/her - or grab/carry the Summoner concerned and carry him or her to Safety.

But if the true Body of the Summoner is to far away, the Connection cuts off and the Siege Summon immediately shatters and falls apart.

so You can not play it "to safe".

SnowElf wrote: »

You can make some pretty sick summons from the sprites Intrepid has created WHICH JUST REMINDED ME that we're entering Alpha 2 in October and Steven and the gang are big fans of the Halloween !!
Headless Horseman's mount as a summon confirmed.

As lovely as this sounds, even as a Joke,

i don't think October as Start of Alpha Two would be a good Time-Window for a Halloween Event.

Will the Start not include lots of Connection Issues and Crashs ?

SnowElf wrote: »

Kidding. All jokes aside,

I just hope the summons are sick and creative.

Summoners will be able to have Three Summons, Battle-Pets not included - right ?

I hope we will be able to control them like a Warcraft III Unit for Roleplay - or maybe even for Battle if we can.

Because when i imagine myself to be on a Freehold - and i have like Two Zombis and a Skelly-Bro as my Summons, being the adorable Necromancer-Edgelord i hope to be,

i would love to station them somewhere, where they would make Sense as in looking like they are "undead Staff" of the Freehold, caring for it - with the other NPC's who i hope i can ALSO MAKE into Undead Staff for RP-Purposes/Ambience /Atmosphere, you name it.

I just hope dear Intrepid listens to all People like me who wish for the Option of that as a Feature. After all, the new Engine of the Game is flexible - and even Games like Warcraft III over Twenty Years ago got it done.

SnowElf wrote: »

But no.. as a Necromancer.. they would be much darker... The grim reaper of armors! :O!!!

" I didn't choose the Edgelord-Life ... ... ... ... ... the Edgelord-Life chose me ! "

Obviously i am kidding with this for a bit - but Yes i bet many Necromancer-Players will look for Outfits and Armors that reflect their edgy, necrotic Profession and Nature a little bit.

But as Information continues to stay scarce - we don't even know what exactly Players will be able to get ingame. Hopefully lots of Recolors of many if not all Pre-Order Cosmetic-Sets -> and hopefully we will be able to farm Sets everywhere from Lawfully Good to Chaotic Evil-looking.

Part of me still hopes for a Future King Atrax/Undead Expansion of Ashes of Creation.

Veeshan

Summoner+Fighter should summon weapons and fling/hurl them at opponents and do physical dmg instead of magical :P

Immortui

Veeshan wrote: »

Summoner+Fighter should summon weapons and fling/hurl them at opponents and do physical dmg instead of magical :P

omg do you know fairytail manga by chance?

Erza being able to swap any armor and summon any weapon. Your comment really reminded me of her, wow.

Yeah I never really played rogue but after seeing bard preview how spellbook looked, my mind wondered about rogue having floating daggers and sending them for some special ranged attacks as well, now your comment about it being summoners work

I'd love to see it

balr0g

I've been toying with summoner types and researching them for years while writing a book series and I settled on 5/6 main paths with many divergent options the further into a path tree one goes. These are as follows:

Dark (aligned to gods, deities, etc of a decidedly Dark nature). Dark does not mean evil, though it can. These primarily focus on summons like the following:
1. Demons and hellspawn
2. Shadow
3. Night creatures (wears, etc.)

Light (opposite of the above description)
1. Angels & Nephillim
2. Light aligned creatures

Neutral paths include Nature, Elemental, and Spiritual. These types of summoners can summon:
2. Elementals
3. Spirits (ghosts, phantoms, etc.)
4. Animals

Inanimate Summons (Perhaps some variant of wizard)
1. Offensive Weapons
2. Defense/Shields
3. Utilities (healing, crafting, etc.)

I also like the idea of having a fae path somewhere, but that can be aligned to any of thse above. I also like the idea of contracts vs bindings. If the summons are Light-aligned its based on mutual agreement and there should be some quest line and/or reputation gained to achieve contracts and then these summons will only participate in battles aligned to their objectives. For Dark-aligned these would be bindings that require strength over mutual agreement and entirely predicated on the summoner being stronger than the summons.

Neutral-aligned would be based entirely on player progression and gaining more summons as the player progresses and accomplishes more tasks (no contract and no binding, just skills)

Skills/mechanics would be similar to if not inherited from the chosen summoner path.

For instance:
1. Elemental - a mutli-toered path going down any Elemental path, but not a true elementalist because your power is augmented by the summons
2. Nature - would be natural skills like a druid (healer, trapper, think grasping roots)
3. Spirit - attacks against the spirit, perhaps mana draining, spirit shock, etc.
4. Light/Dark - I think these would be most obvious given we have so many archetypes like this in other games.

No matter the path chosen though they would never be more powerful than say a straight elementalist/mage, paladin, priest, druid, etc because the summons would be designed to bridge the gap in power.

Endowed

The ability to be the "off tank", via pets.

Halae

Endowed wrote: »

The ability to be the "off tank", via pets.

I actually specifically put together a list of traits that Brood Warden (Summoner/Tank) is going to need to be capable of to fulfill the tanking role. Ahem

Should be possible for all tank characters. If they are not, fix until capable of all of the above, or no longer attempting to fill tank role.

NOTE: Precision requirements are specifically for high-end content, and may not be required for generalized content.
1. Responsive repositioning to avoid AoEs or manage mechanics
2. Aggro swap on precise timing
3. Defensive utility skills on precise timing
4. Interruption or control effects on precise timing
5. Responsive ability to manage any debuffs they can apply
6. Ability to survive tankbusters
7. Check their time-to-death when playing well but unsupported by a healer
8. Ability to reposition the boss intuitively and on precise timing
9. Ability to collect aggro from Adds without exposing party members to undue danger
10. Self-healing in line with other tank role characters
11. Sensible gear requirements that do not add great deals of overhead management
12. Ability to maintain aggro in enemy groups

As an off-tank rather than a main tank, I could see Brood Warden missing a few of these, especially the ones that are focused on repositioning, but to be effective at its stated role, Brood Warden has to satisfy at least most of these.

Sathrago

Summoner should be the dedicated damage sustain class, through dots, pets, and debuffs at least in my mind.

They should have the ability to summon swarms of creatures to harry their foes (locust swarm an aoe dot)
Summon utility items like anvils or basic objects required in crafting or gathering.
As far as debuffs are concerned these should debilitate the target to make it more easily for their pets and party members to deal with them. Be it increasing damage taken, reducing movement speed, slowing action speed, etc.

To go more specific and personal, I really, really hope that the Summoner/rogue combination uses shadows as their summons. conjuring a swarm of shadows to engulf their foes, turning the targets own shadow against them, switching locations with the target via shadow teleportation, Have their damage break of shards of shadow that can be gathered to empower their main summon a shade monster.

Probably too extreme and wouldnt be what these augments from the secondary will be able to do, but ill just keep day dreaming until it gets shattered.

willsummon

A pet point system similar to the Necromancer from Age of Conan, allowing for many pet combinations, or no pets while a powerful caster.

With the instrument and other selections shown with the Bard, I am even more interested in what the Summoner will be like.

Aszkalon

Immortui wrote: »

What are some ideas for summoner you wish to see ?

I wish to have " ABSOLUTE free Control " - over every single One of my Summons - > " if " i so choose to.

Like as if i would control and command a Unit in a Game like Warcraft III. Or Starcraft. Or any other Game where i can place, order - and command any kind of Unit to go and stand exactly where i want.

I don't wish this simply for Gameplay and Combat - > but for Roleplay-Purposes as well. ESPECIALLY, for Roleplay.

Plus when a Summoner owns a Freehold - > that we can decide and choose, that "Summons" like for Example Undead i can have as a Summoner+Cleric-Build. (Necromancer)

You know what is funny and kinda ironic ?
I have this Wish of mine inside of me since around September 2023, since my Hype for Ashes of Creation was awakened anew.

And what do i see this last Live-Stream ?
WHAT WAS PRESENTED to me ???

hahahahahah.

" Undead (former) Farmers, who care for their Fields. "

Fate and Life sure have a strong Sense of Humor. Intrepid has no Idea how much they teased me with this.

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