List of reasons to allow Shadow computers

I know Shadow computers may have a bad reputation when it comes to MMORPGs. However, I will provide some reasons why Intrepid should allow them to log in to Ashes of Creation and let them play. Here is a list of good reasons, in my opinion:

Shadow has a 2FA option: A few months ago, Shadow introduced the option to add two-factor authentication (2FA) to our accounts. 2FA is well-known as a security standard. Perhaps Intrepid could make it a requirement to allow us onto the server? After all, who doesn’t have a mobile device these days?

Inflation and rig high price: Since the COVID pandemic, inflation has hit us hard. Food, rent, mortgages, shampoo, and so on are nearly unaffordable. The dollar where I live fluctuates between 0.70 and 0.76 of an American dollar. Most countries are in a similar situation. Computer hardware has not been spared; for example, GPU prices were at their highest during the early to mid-pandemic. Allowing Shadow could enable people like me, who are struggling financially, to pay the $15 subscription fee and play without having to spend $2,000 to $2,500 on a rig that will be outdated in a year anyway. Otherwise, it seems that only people with substantial incomes would be able to log in—essentially the elite.

Shadow has a rule against emulation: Emulation, as software that mimics a character in an MMORPG, is forbidden and leads to account termination. This means no automatic gold farming and no automatic resource farming. Who would pay $49 for the Power tier (excluding taxes) plus the $15 subscription fee for the game, and risk losing not one but two accounts?

That’s all. I would hold my breath, but…

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Zehlan

nanfoodle wrote: »

WOW why do people assume over asking questions? First off. Do you live in Canada? I have been to the USA recently. It's shocking the price difference. TV I bought in Canada was when you include taxes was 40% cheaper in the states. Go look up right now on Canadian sites AM4 gaming parts. Not standard pc parts but gaming quality parts. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is my CPU and norms for about $300 with tax. Used about 180. When I bought my 4070 I paid new just over 1k. My 2060 card I sold used for $350 bucks. That was about 6 or 7 months ago

I am going by the info he has provided he stated he has a low income and "wants a real gaming rig" but also claims you can't get a rig to game on for under a 1000 dollars in canada which is a pile of BS. . Yes I do live in canada and I understand how much parts are I build my own computers used to do it for work at one time.

Here ya go 23 min drive from montreal to vanier. Oh and just an FYI if you pay with visa you can do 12 equal payments at that place.
https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_4527_1448&item_id=211036

Noaani

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

It's can run Ashes on high?

Without trying to sound insensitive, you aren't really in a position to demand high settings.

I know I'm not part of the elite Steven is targeting (psychologist, doctor, dentist, things like that).

Nothing to do with that.

The bulk of the people that play MMORPG's at the top end don't do so with a good computer. Even those that have a good computer tend to turn the graphics settings down, as all the flash and shit just gets in the way.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Zehlan wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

1st: In Canada no way I can get a rig for 1000 and under. Our dollar is weak (0,76 for 2 single US one)
2nd: Best Buy is shit. They are expansive for nothing. I want a real gaming rig.

Absolute b*llsh*t! You can get something used or refurbished that would run AoC for under 500 canadian np! I am also a little confused with your statements? You say you are too poor to get a computer to play ashes but on the other hand you only want a "REAL GAMING RIG"!

WOW why do people assume over asking questions? First off. Do you live in Canada? I have been to the USA recently. It's shocking the price difference. TV I bought in Canada was when you include taxes was 40% cheaper in the states. Go look up right now on Canadian sites AM4 gaming parts. Not standard pc parts but gaming quality parts. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is my CPU and norms for about $300 with tax. Used about 180. When I bought my 4070 I paid new just over 1k. My 2060 card I sold used for $350 bucks. That was about 6 or 7 months ago

RIght now, on Newegg.CA you can get a 5700X3D and 32gb ram for $315, a fan for $30, a suitable motherboard for $100, a reputable power supply for $75, SSD for $45, and a case for $60.

The above is $620, and all you need to do is add a second hand GPU - which you can get something servicable for $250 - 300.

While it isn't top of the line, it also isn't entry level (despite everything being at least a generation old at this point). It will run Ashes when it releases (assuming it's still on UE5) at reasonable settings at 1440p.

So, you are right that it probably isn't possible to get something viable for under $500, but it is possible to get something for around $850-900, and the above is all without actually shopping around (one website).

The problems start coming - imo - when someone that can't get that starts also demanding high settings.

JeanPhilippeGunghar

I will buy one I pay in 12 equal payments. Thanks everyone!

nanfoodle

Zehlan wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

WOW why do people assume over asking questions? First off. Do you live in Canada? I have been to the USA recently. It's shocking the price difference. TV I bought in Canada was when you include taxes was 40% cheaper in the states. Go look up right now on Canadian sites AM4 gaming parts. Not standard pc parts but gaming quality parts. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is my CPU and norms for about $300 with tax. Used about 180. When I bought my 4070 I paid new just over 1k. My 2060 card I sold used for $350 bucks. That was about 6 or 7 months ago

I am going by the info he has provided he stated he has a low income and "wants a real gaming rig" but also claims you can't get a rig to game on for under a 1000 dollars in canada which is a pile of BS. . Yes I do live in canada and I understand how much parts are I build my own computers used to do it for work at one time.

Here ya go 23 min drive from montreal to vanier. Oh and just an FYI if you pay with visa you can do 12 equal payments at that place.
https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_4527_1448&item_id=211036

Now add 18% tax your at $1180. Dont forget recycling fee's we have in most provinces, that does not show up till your at the register. =-)

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Zehlan wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

1st: In Canada no way I can get a rig for 1000 and under. Our dollar is weak (0,76 for 2 single US one)
2nd: Best Buy is shit. They are expansive for nothing. I want a real gaming rig.

Absolute b*llsh*t! You can get something used or refurbished that would run AoC for under 500 canadian np! I am also a little confused with your statements? You say you are too poor to get a computer to play ashes but on the other hand you only want a "REAL GAMING RIG"!

WOW why do people assume over asking questions? First off. Do you live in Canada? I have been to the USA recently. It's shocking the price difference. TV I bought in Canada was when you include taxes was 40% cheaper in the states. Go look up right now on Canadian sites AM4 gaming parts. Not standard pc parts but gaming quality parts. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is my CPU and norms for about $300 with tax. Used about 180. When I bought my 4070 I paid new just over 1k. My 2060 card I sold used for $350 bucks. That was about 6 or 7 months ago

RIght now, on Newegg.CA you can get a 5700X3D and 32gb ram for $315, a fan for $30, a suitable motherboard for $100, a reputable power supply for $75, SSD for $45, and a case for $60.

The above is $620, and all you need to do is add a second hand GPU - which you can get something servicable for $250 - 300.

While it isn't top of the line, it also isn't entry level (despite everything being at least a generation old at this point). It will run Ashes when it releases (assuming it's still on UE5) at reasonable settings at 1440p.

So, you are right that it probably isn't possible to get something viable for under $500, but it is possible to get something for around $850-900, and the above is all without actually shopping around (one website).

The problems start coming - imo - when someone that can't get that starts also demanding high settings.

Did you remember to add in a copy of windows? Tax, recycling fees?

nanfoodle

Im am happy to build my PC and I love building PCs. The OP here is saying PCs are expensive for him and there is many places in the world its even harder. $1000 PC at $15 a month for a shadow computer is 66 months of renting a shadow computer. How many upgrades will you make if you own a PC over 66 months? Again thats a 1k PC without taking into account taxes. So it would be more then 66 months.

Zehlan

nanfoodle wrote: »

Im am happy to build my PC and I love building PCs. The OP here is saying PCs are expensive for him and there is many places in the world its even harder. $1000 PC at $15 a month for a shadow computer is 66 months of renting a shadow computer. How many upgrades will you make if you own a PC over 66 months? Again thats a 1k PC without taking into account taxes. So it would be more then 66 months.

I am guessing you have never been poor or broke lol. For starters with the 500 dollar computer it's pretty simple most companies will sell their older computers in lots at auction and used computer stores buy them. So you can go get an old 6th to 10th gen intel i5 to i7 for example for 200 to 300 bucks it will come with windows and be fully working. Buy a decent graphics card used or new you can get a rtx 2070 for a 200 off market place. So 500 bucks your playin Ashes on decent settings!

Oh and what shit province do u live in that has 18% tax?

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Zehlan wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

1st: In Canada no way I can get a rig for 1000 and under. Our dollar is weak (0,76 for 2 single US one)
2nd: Best Buy is shit. They are expansive for nothing. I want a real gaming rig.

Absolute b*llsh*t! You can get something used or refurbished that would run AoC for under 500 canadian np! I am also a little confused with your statements? You say you are too poor to get a computer to play ashes but on the other hand you only want a "REAL GAMING RIG"!

WOW why do people assume over asking questions? First off. Do you live in Canada? I have been to the USA recently. It's shocking the price difference. TV I bought in Canada was when you include taxes was 40% cheaper in the states. Go look up right now on Canadian sites AM4 gaming parts. Not standard pc parts but gaming quality parts. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X is my CPU and norms for about $300 with tax. Used about 180. When I bought my 4070 I paid new just over 1k. My 2060 card I sold used for $350 bucks. That was about 6 or 7 months ago

RIght now, on Newegg.CA you can get a 5700X3D and 32gb ram for $315, a fan for $30, a suitable motherboard for $100, a reputable power supply for $75, SSD for $45, and a case for $60.

The above is $620, and all you need to do is add a second hand GPU - which you can get something servicable for $250 - 300.

While it isn't top of the line, it also isn't entry level (despite everything being at least a generation old at this point). It will run Ashes when it releases (assuming it's still on UE5) at reasonable settings at 1440p.

So, you are right that it probably isn't possible to get something viable for under $500, but it is possible to get something for around $850-900, and the above is all without actually shopping around (one website).

The problems start coming - imo - when someone that can't get that starts also demanding high settings.

Did you remember to add in a copy of windows? Tax, recycling fees?

Don't need to pay for Windows if you can accept a watermark on your screen - which, again, is a solution if you don't have the money.

If tax and additional fees arn't listed on a Canadian website selling to Canadians, that seems like a "your country" issue.

tinukeda

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

Secondly: Montreal do not have a computer shop to get it up, because I'm not manual at all.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/
Appears to sell hardware pieces and has location(s) in Montreal

rollox

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

I will buy one I pay in 12 equal payments. Thanks everyone!

There you go. Instead of renting a virtual machine and paying monthly for CPU. Just pay monthly for your own PC.

And I will tell you, maybe you think it is great here in U.S. but I have a issue with that. Was looking to buy a pre fab cabin kit from a company in Canada. The exchange rate to US made it a very good looking price. So if I could, I would do it and help your economy and fabricators. But then I found there is a 35% tariff to bring building materials into US.

Oh well ☹️. Anyways, go by a computer on monthly installments instead of renting a CPU and pay for clock cycles.

nanfoodle

Zehlan wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Im am happy to build my PC and I love building PCs. The OP here is saying PCs are expensive for him and there is many places in the world its even harder. $1000 PC at $15 a month for a shadow computer is 66 months of renting a shadow computer. How many upgrades will you make if you own a PC over 66 months? Again thats a 1k PC without taking into account taxes. So it would be more then 66 months.

I am guessing you have never been poor or broke lol. For starters with the 500 dollar computer it's pretty simple most companies will sell their older computers in lots at auction and used computer stores buy them. So you can go get an old 6th to 10th gen intel i5 to i7 for example for 200 to 300 bucks it will come with windows and be fully working. Buy a decent graphics card used or new you can get a rtx 2070 for a 200 off market place. So 500 bucks your playin Ashes on decent settings!

Oh and what shit province do u live in that has 18% tax?

You would assume wrong. I was even homeless at one point in my life =-) $500 bucks Canadian will not get you a computer you can game on. Unless you want to play games like WoW that will run on a video card that only has 128-256MB. Minimum requirements for Ashes is a NVIDIA GTX 1070 that alone is sitting at about $250 before the 18% tax I pay in my Province.

Personally I dont get the hate here. For some, spending 1k on a PC would be a big deal. If Shadow PCs can get us more players and it does not comprise the games security. I say let them do so.

unknownsystemerror

Yeah, people got a bit derailed on the whole "you poor sucka!" part. Doubt you will get Intrepid to authorize any VM machines to run their product. While people can claim only the best intentions, in many cases they are used by those who cheat to avoid soft and hardware bans. And there are other security issues. While this response from their own developers is two years old. I did find it telling that it was basically, "Yeah, sucks to be you, but we gonna try to do better later."

JeanPhilippeGunghar

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Yeah, people got a bit derailed on the whole "you poor sucka!" part. Doubt you will get Intrepid to authorize any VM machines to run their product. While people can claim only the best intentions, in many cases they are used by those who cheat to avoid soft and hardware bans. And there are other security issues. While this response from their own developers is two years old. I did find it telling that it was basically, "Yeah, sucks to be you, but we gonna try to do better later."

Anyway, I think I have found a solution. I will wait close to launch or until anti-cheat lets me out of the game. Probably around betas. Do you think I will be safe for A2 until betas? I mean, Aryelle could log in A1 with a Shadow.

nanfoodle

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Yeah, people got a bit derailed on the whole "you poor sucka!" part. Doubt you will get Intrepid to authorize any VM machines to run their product. While people can claim only the best intentions, in many cases they are used by those who cheat to avoid soft and hardware bans. And there are other security issues. While this response from their own developers is two years old. I did find it telling that it was basically, "Yeah, sucks to be you, but we gonna try to do better later."

Anyway, I think I have found a solution. I will wait close to launch or until anti-cheat lets me out of the game. Probably around betas. Do you think I will be safe for A2 until betas? I mean, Aryelle could log in A1 with a Shadow.

Thats 100% up to IS. I dont think it should be done if there is security risks. If IS thinks it can be done without security risks, 100% should. I do like the argument that people with lesser income should have access. In your favor IS will be selling the sub fee at a much lower rate for people in countries this is the case but they will be locked to their local area. So IS is mindful of this already.

SmileGurney

So some people would rather pay $50 monthly for a cloud based gaming solution which surely introduces more latency and input delay, then save $50 every month towards their own gaming PC they can replace every 3.5-4 years? Interesting.

Hinotori

My country is in a similar situation money wise and I'm also on a pension so i feel the squeeze.

I just said screw it and I'm buying over time. If you're willing to build you can take advantage of the sales through the year.

I've got a rapidly growing pile of parts, I've picked up a 7950x3d, 96gb G.skill ddr5 cl32 ram, 2 and 4 terabyte samsung 990 ssds and a Lian Li Galahad 2 trinity S-inf 360mm cooler so far.

So im about half way done, the other good thing is when I get to the final part (graphics card) I'm hoping the new stock will drive the price down a little ($1900 for a 4080S or $2900 for a 4090 is just bonkers to me at this late stage of their cycle.)

Undead Canuck

I just rebuilt my computer this year. Spent just over $1000. Just look for the sales and get the parts, then upgrade. Upgraded to DDR5, i7, NVMe SSD's.
https://www.newegg.ca/ is your friend.

Depraved

Hinotori wrote: »

My country is in a similar situation money wise and I'm also on a pension so i feel the squeeze.

u mean u squeezed ur simp army on twitch?

no hate

JeanPhilippeGunghar

Now, I wonder if I'm better to wait betas or buy it asap. If my bank accepts to loan me the money and I pay in 12 payments. I may try to find something less expansive (maybe 1000 or 1100 CAD, before taxes) to refund it faster. You guys know, interest (not sure how it's called in english. The amount that's add if you don't pay your credit card entierely)

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