Where is the progress

As much as I appreciate the monthly live streams, would it be possible for once to do a Livestream about content we have not seen or heard about? I enjoyed the world boss but let's be honest here it's a complete copy and paste with maybe some different colours added of the world boss previewed 3 years ago, in a worse looking area,

Why has basically everything including an entire zone been scrapped since A1?

How many parses are we going to have to see in the cleric?

Where is the action combat? Show us the naval system?, nodes above level 3, bounty hunting? Secondary archetypes? Something.. maybe I need to take a break in following this game because the more live streams I watch it just feels like we are getting taken for a ride, show us the builds that you previewed 3 years ago for the weathering and commissions showcase, tell us why the world looks so dull and the colours have been drastically changed everytime we see real gameplay,

I respect and am greatful that you want and ask for the communities opinion on elements of the game, but at some stage with 60+ game developers, decisions need to be made and stuck to, surely someone in the company can put in some insight, the game feels like it's been restarted from scratch 4x over now and it would be nice to know why. Again maybe I just need to take a break from following this game but come on, 3 years from alpha 1 when will we start seeing real progress, not live streams designed simply for a 30 minute presentation and then never touched apon again, would be nice to see literally ANY other biome, the character creator that was promised a month ago or literally anything, now I'm just ranting

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Azherae

You are, indeed, now just ranting.

Pls stop.

Chicago

Azherae wrote: »

You are, indeed, now just ranting.

Pls stop.

Ah my posts are not really directed at you, but I knew you would be here

Azherae

Chicago wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

You are, indeed, now just ranting.

Pls stop.

Ah my posts are not really directed at you, but I knew you would be here

Can't hurt to ask, right?

It is, indeed, Monday morning in Kyoto.

Chicago

Azherae wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

You are, indeed, now just ranting.

Pls stop.

Ah my posts are not really directed at you, but I knew you would be here

Can't hurt to ask, right?

It is, indeed, Monday morning in Kyoto.

Obviously we have different opinions on the development of this game, let's keep it civil

Azherae

Chicago wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

You are, indeed, now just ranting.

Pls stop.

Ah my posts are not really directed at you, but I knew you would be here

Can't hurt to ask, right?

It is, indeed, Monday morning in Kyoto.

Obviously we have different opinions on the development of this game, let's keep it civil

We don't though.

I know it's probably not very clear, but I support your position on this matter entirely, just not your approach.

I too, would like 'Classic' Ashes of Creation and literally every day I wonder nostalgically what happened to it.

I just think this thread is really, really unlikely to help in any way.

Chicago

Azherae wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

You are, indeed, now just ranting.

Pls stop.

Ah my posts are not really directed at you, but I knew you would be here

Can't hurt to ask, right?

It is, indeed, Monday morning in Kyoto.

Obviously we have different opinions on the development of this game, let's keep it civil

We don't though.

I know it's probably not very clear, but I support your position on this matter entirely, just not your approach.

I too, would like 'Classic' Ashes of Creation and literally every day I wonder nostalgically what happened to it.

I just think this thread is really, really unlikely to help in any way.

You may be right, it most likely won't help, I have noticed over the years that any questions even remotely answered in the live streams or AMA's are hand picked to give literally no information, it's like listening to politicians, and tbh I'm dead up with the lies we keep getting that anyone with half a brain can see from a mile away, quite honestly I would not even care if this project wasn't community funded, but the disrespect the community got with the alpha packages not to mention everything else team has promised but never delivered on I am quite fed up, and if they are going to use the game as a glorified cash shop but then use that money to fund another game entirely (apoc) and then use that money to fund ashes version 1 scrapped after A1, the least we can expect is honesty and real progress updates on the monthly Livestream.

What we receive is lies, fake builds of the game that look nothing like the game on the builds we see them playing on, recycled content from 3 years ago, like they couldn't have even added 1 or 2 new mechanics to the raid boss? Just a re colour and a different area, it's frustrating, and literally worse than star citizen. And honestly just feels like Steven is using his background in sales to capitalise on fomo and people's emotions

Mag7spy

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

Mag7spy

If you dislike the project and think it is a scam (which indicates that based on what you feel) Don't support the project or give it attention.

Apok

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

Chicago

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

100% agree, if they release literally anything that contradicts what I have said I'll be the first to apologise and admit I'm wrong and shout this till the cows come home, but as of right now everything I have said is facts, yes I don't know everything about game development, but it doesn't take an Einstein to see what is happening here

By the way I don't think this game is a scam, I believe Steven set off with great intentions and as a person I find him quite charming, but I also believe somewhere between A1 and now something has happened and I believe we have the right to ask why, by the way whoever asks these questions gets flamed I'm use to it and expect it but if you want. A good MMO as everyone claims, someone needs to start asking these tough questions 8 years in

Aszkalon

Chicago wrote: »

Why has basically everything including an entire zone been scrapped since A1 ?

Development.

I heard that for Example in the Past - > there were like a 100 Nodes or more planned. But then Sir Steven and/or his mighty Crew decided to shrink it down to like 85 Nodes at Maximum,

so that Players don't right away run into another Node after Two or Three Minutes after leaving their own Node's City Gates.

Plus might be just me -> but i like the "new"/current Worldmap of Verra far more than the One from before.
"Plus",
you must take into Consideration that everything before and even after the "World Remake" of the World of Verra, is just a Placeholder for the later things in the same Places - which are all supposed to work.

And one more Reason above all - > it seems all those Years until the likes of May 2024 or maybe even now,

there was a new Engine/Possibility/Server-Tech being developed - > so that Hundreds* of People shall be able to run around in like the same Node, Place, whatever You call it,

without the Game turning into a horrible Lag-of-Death Frame-Festival and/or without countless People getting disconnected, because the known/older MMO-Engines are just not cutting it with certain, high Player Numbers.

Jepp. The Progress apparently takes it's sweet, sweet time. While i can fully understand how annoying this is, i also would like to get a bit more Information to keep People up to Date.

But Funfact :

i think we will all be far more up to date from the likes of November 7th or 8th and so on.

Damn. I want to see a Node-Siege Presentation sooooooooooooooo bad.

Mag7spy

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

Chicago

Aszkalon wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Why has basically everything including an entire zone been scrapped since A1 ?

Development.

I heard that for Example in the Past - > there were like a 100 Nodes or more planned. But then Sir Steven and/or his mighty Crew decided to shrink it down to like 85 Nodes at Maximum,

so that Players don't right away run into another Node after Two or Three Minutes after leaving their own Node's City Gates.

Plus might be just me -> but i like the "new"/current Worldmap of Verra far more than the One from before.
"Plus",
you must take into Consideration that everything before and even after the "World Remake" of the World of Verra, is just a Placeholder for the later things in the same Places - which are all supposed to work.

And one more Reason above all - > it seems all those Years until the likes of May 2024 or maybe even now,

there was a new Engine/Possibility/Server-Tech being developed - > so that Hundreds* of People shall be able to run around in like the same Node, Place, whatever You call it,

without the Game turning into a horrible Lag-of-Death Frame-Festival and/or without countless People getting disconnected, because the known/older MMO-Engines are just not cutting it with certain, high Player Numbers.

Jepp. The Progress apparently takes it's sweet, sweet time. While i can fully understand how annoying this is, i also would like to get a bit more Information to keep People up to Date.

But Funfact :

i think we will all be far more up to date from the likes of November 7th or 8th and so on.

Damn. I want to see a Node-Siege Presentation sooooooooooooooo bad.

Great points here and thank you for taking the time to reply, I do disagree with a few of them for example, intrepid did not create the engine and now that we are on UE5 things should be relatively easier to get going ( I will admit I don't have much knowledge on this ) also I don't agree that after 5 years everything should be placeholder, I do agree with the meshing tech, it does sound promising but other than reducing costs on servers I don't know how it actually benefits game progression as there are other systems like this already around, intrepid were definitely not the first, but I do think they did a fantastic job on it. Hopefully when A2 launches some of our fears will be put to rest

Hinotori

No idea. Certainly does seem like alot of pre A1 stuff was scrapped but there was an engine change. Did that have something to do with it? No idea.

But I think it's disingenuous to say there's been no progress. I would say that animations and skills have progressed massively in that time, and quest lines (even if they are placeholder)

Ui looks alot better and the world seems to run alot smoother than back then.

Environmental things like insects flying around and the night sky box have definitely improved the ambience and the alpha 2 has more details in the biomes than alpha 1.

We've also seen the caravan system actually moving and events tied to it.

I'm probably missing a dozen things. Yeah, I understand progress feeling slow, but I certainly wouldn't say that there hasn't been any.

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

Chicago

Hinotori wrote: »

No idea. Certainly does seem like alot of pre A1 stuff was scrapped but there was an engine change. Did that have something to do with it? No idea.

But I think it's disingenuous to say there's been no progress. I would say that animations and skills have progressed massively in that time, and quest lines (even if they are placeholder)

Ui looks alot better and the world seems to run alot smoother than back then.

Environmental things like insects flying around and the night sky box have definitely improved the ambience and the alpha 2 has more details in the biomes than alpha 1.

We've also seen the caravan system actually moving and events tied to it.

I'm probably missing a dozen things. Yeah, I understand progress feeling slow, but I certainly wouldn't say that there hasn't been any.

You are right these are great improvements, it's just hard to even tell when A1 was pretty much just place holder and we are now getting updates with 3 year old content, the night and day cycles do look great though

Mag7spy

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

You are literally trying to say the money they are using isn't going towards AoC and saying they are lying about the game, and not showing any progression in monthly live streams?

What are you even talking about, you are pretty much trying to suggest the game is scamming people?

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

You are literally trying to say the money they are using isn't going towards AoC and saying they are lying about the game, and not showing any progression in monthly live streams?

What are you even talking about, you are pretty much trying to suggest the game is scamming people?

The money they raised in the Kickstarter most likely went souly towards apoc, which is not AoC, then the first few years of bundles seem to have gone towards something that was just scrapped, now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited, a 120$ price tag is also to high it makes it near impossible for a huge majority of the community to participate in testing and I dispise this.

Also the monthly streams I may be wrong you are right but from what I have seen, the game with live showcases looks not even remotely close to the game in pre recorded show cases, I'm not saying it's a scam but they ARE selling these packs based on that being how the game looks, nothing I'm saying is madeup

Mag7spy

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

You are literally trying to say the money they are using isn't going towards AoC and saying they are lying about the game, and not showing any progression in monthly live streams?

What are you even talking about, you are pretty much trying to suggest the game is scamming people?

The money they raised in the Kickstarter most likely went souly towards apoc, which is not AoC, then the first few years of bundles seem to have gone towards something that was just scrapped, now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited, a 120$ price tag is also to high it makes it near impossible for a huge majority of the community to participate in testing and I dispise this.

Also the monthly streams I may be wrong you are right but from what I have seen, the game with live showcases looks not even remotely close to the game in pre recorded show cases, I'm not saying it's a scam but they ARE selling these packs based on that being how the game looks, nothing I'm saying is madeup

You are literally spreading misinformation.......

Chicago

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Apok wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

This is the bad side of things with post like these, people that dont understand development and have no clue how things work. Saying game builds are lies and some other random bs and spreading misinformation lmao.

I've said it before ill say it again you make some toxic threads.

if you're such an expert how about instead of calling people sad you enlighten them

I've already done this before lol? People who want to call something a scam have already convinced themselves, im not going to debate multiple threads with them on this.

My question is why are you trying to defend his take on calling this a scam based on what he is saying?

I mean you saying I'm calling the game a scam is about the same as the misinformation spreading you apparently dispise, I don't think it's a scam, never have, I just think that we are being catfished with alot of systems or given rose glasses and I would really like to see behind the curtain

You are literally trying to say the money they are using isn't going towards AoC and saying they are lying about the game, and not showing any progression in monthly live streams?

What are you even talking about, you are pretty much trying to suggest the game is scamming people?

The money they raised in the Kickstarter most likely went souly towards apoc, which is not AoC, then the first few years of bundles seem to have gone towards something that was just scrapped, now it seems they need more money so they are selling alpha 2 packs for a 120$ price tag, after making people fomo into a 250$ pack because they were ending package sales that I can guarantee would have waited, a 120$ price tag is also to high it makes it near impossible for a huge majority of the community to participate in testing and I dispise this.

Also the monthly streams I may be wrong you are right but from what I have seen, the game with live showcases looks not even remotely close to the game in pre recorded show cases, I'm not saying it's a scam but they ARE selling these packs based on that being how the game looks, nothing I'm saying is madeup

You are literally spreading misinformation.......

Tell me what is misinformation here

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