Node racial style depending on race contribution doesn't make sense

Hi,

while in theory it sounds great and logical, that a node gets the style of the most contributing race, its actually not a well thought of system.

In every mmo you have races, that are played much more than others, so a niche race will maybe never or very unlikely see a node in their style.

I guess there should be an alternative system. Maybe the mayor's race or swappable and you need a blue print that is only craftable by the race itself.

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Effah

just leave the aesthetic choice to the node owners.

Depraved

Garrtok wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Hi,

while in theory it sounds great and logical, that a node gets the style of the most contributing race, its actually not a well thought of system.

In every mmo you have races, that are played much more than others, so a niche race will maybe never or very unlikely see a node in their style.

I guess there should be an alternative system. Maybe the mayor's race or swappable and you need a blue print that is only craftable by the race itself.

yeah but also not everybody will be on the same node. less played races might get their node.

Why do you think so? Of course it will happen sometimes, but realistically most nodes will have two - three different skins

so?they are just skins ;3

Yes they are, but it's about the system that is not well designed.

why is not well designed? how did you come up with that? just because someone cant get something right away makes it a bad design?

Lodrig

Garrtok wrote: »

Hi,

while in theory it sounds great and logical, that a node gets the style of the most contributing race, its actually not a well thought of system.

In every mmo you have races, that are played much more than others, so a niche race will maybe never or very unlikely see a node in their style.

I guess there should be an alternative system. Maybe the mayor's race or swappable and you need a blue print that is only craftable by the race itself.

The players will need to concentrate to make the different styles apear. As both the race apearance and the node apearance are asthetic rather then functional this is a group aschetic choice that you engage in by voting with your time.

If players prefer certain astetics over other they will preferentially live in the nodes that match vs thouse that don't match. The only issue I see is if players have a mismatch between their character racial astetics they like and the building asthetics they like.

The logical fix to that is to give players a selector which determines what building astetic their XP generation contributes to a node. Aka you could be a Vek but want to live in a Py Rai node and thus set your selector to Py Rai so your xp gets counted towards that asthetic. By default the selector is obviusly matched to your race but you can change it.

This would be far better then giving the choice to the mayor because it augments the existing design with more player choice and remains a bottom up vote with time. Also Nodes have an astetic BEFORE they have mayors as a mayor comes in only at tier 3 and their needs to be a system to determine what nodes level 1 and 2 look like.

Caeryl

Your choice of style is made in character select. If node style > character style to you, then you'll have to pick the race with the node style you want.

Personally I'm hugely against the removal of the racial perks. It just makes the world building lesser for it when entirely different species are treated exactly the same and ultimately it means you'll see more lopsided aesthetics than if racials perks did exist to influence selection a bit.

Effah

Caeryl wrote: »

Your choice of style is made in character select. If node style > character style to you, then you'll have to pick the race with the node style you want.

Personally I'm hugely against the removal of the racial perks. It just makes the world building lesser for it when entirely different species are treated exactly the same and ultimately it means you'll see more lopsided aesthetics than if racials perks did exist to influence selection a bit.

that make sense, but throw economy related perks. combat ones are always to much of a head ake.

Caeryl

P0GG0 wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Your choice of style is made in character select. If node style > character style to you, then you'll have to pick the race with the node style you want.

Personally I'm hugely against the removal of the racial perks. It just makes the world building lesser for it when entirely different species are treated exactly the same and ultimately it means you'll see more lopsided aesthetics than if racials perks did exist to influence selection a bit.

that make sense, but throw economy related perks. combat ones are always to much of a head ake.

Combat ones are fine, good even, as long as they're done similar to D&D, so no % increases to stats or damage. Flat values don't make issues for the end-game.

Aszkalon

Garrtok wrote: »

Hi,

while in theory it sounds great and logical, that a node gets the style of the most contributing race, its actually not a well thought of system.

I am most aware we are still Y~EEAARS away from it, but ... ... ...

... ... can i please have my darn Kae'lar Node ? ^.^ -> " INSIDE " one of the Two cold/est Biomes ?

Either being a Fishing Village on the Coast ? Or a well-fortified Node in the snowy Forests or one some Mountain ?

You know ? Something that RESEMBLES the Viking/Nord/Skellige Dream - for a bit.

It won't ever come to pass if People like me who wish for the same don't come together in great Numbers on probably/(hopefully?) the same Server and all Quest with our KAE'LAR Characters in a specific Node Area so we without fail contribute the most to the Node in Question which we want to make into our cool, northern, Viking-like Node.

Yes.

I am indeed that selfish.

If the whole World needs to burn for it, then so be it ! (lol)

Dygz

Garrtok wrote: »

How? It's pretty much statistics.

In wow for example 16% are playing blood elves, while only 3% are playing goblins. In ashes it will be the same. Guess who will contribute more in nearly all cases.

That's 3% across all servers.
There could still be a server that is mostly Goblins.
And, in Ashes, there could be a Realm with a Metro led by the Race that has the lowest percentage across all Realms but has the highest percentage in that Metro.

Noaani

Garrtok wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Hi,

while in theory it sounds great and logical, that a node gets the style of the most contributing race, its actually not a well thought of system.

In every mmo you have races, that are played much more than others, so a niche race will maybe never or very unlikely see a node in their style.

I guess there should be an alternative system. Maybe the mayor's race or swappable and you need a blue print that is only craftable by the race itself.

yeah but also not everybody will be on the same node. less played races might get their node.

Why do you think so? Of course it will happen sometimes, but realistically most nodes will have two - three different skins

so?they are just skins ;3

Yes they are, but it's about the system that is not well designed.

I kind of disagree.

The original system had a small amount of benefit to the appropriate races. That made it a badly designed system.

The fix to that was to remove the benefit and make it an aesthetic only thing.

The difference here should be obvious. We are all generally against microtransactions, but make them aesthetic only and its generally fine. The same is true here - being aesthetic only makes the whole thing generally fine.

Lodrig

Caeryl wrote: »

Your choice of style is made in character select. If node style > character style to you, then you'll have to pick the race with the node style you want.

Personally I'm hugely against the removal of the racial perks. It just makes the world building lesser for it when entirely different species are treated exactly the same and ultimately it means you'll see more lopsided aesthetics than if racials perks did exist to influence selection a bit.

I also would like to see racial perks retained, utility abiliites I think are good. Nikua holding their breath underwater longer is flavorful but not unbalanced. Some gathering perks and other misilanious stuff has possibility. Perks can and should be used to try to bring more players to the less popular races which means adjusting them over time based on popularity.

Garrtok

ShivaFang wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Players of a race playing together to build a node in their style is very far from the reality of the game

Right, so given that how would a node even form for a culture if the race isn't working together to establish it?

This isn't wow where the races already have established homes. There are ruins of ancient civilization, but it's still the people coming back through the portals that are building it. There is nothing lorewise OR mechanics wise that can justify forcing particular nodes to be a minority race.

Just everyone is playing together and the majority of race establishes their style. There is no in lore "and then the orcs travalled together over the mountains to find a new home". If you're a whatever race only guild you will always have disadvantages

ShivaFang

Garrtok wrote: »

Just everyone is playing together and the majority of race establishes their style. There is no in lore "and then the orcs travalled together over the mountains to find a new home". If you're a whatever race only guild you will always have disadvantages

The players form their own lore on node development. That's the point - the nodes are not pre-assigned to any given race.

What disadvantages to you see in being in a race-only guild? Bear in mind you are talking to someone in a race-only guild.

Aszkalon

ShivaFang wrote: »

What disadvantages to you see in being in a race-only guild ?

We. - NEED. - race-only. Guilds. !!

In WoW Example on my Server - i will never and i truly mean "NEVER" - see a huge Dwarf-Group otherwise. Or an Elf-Group. Or a Human Soldiers/Knights Group.

It is a sad but solid Truth. People need to organise it. Especially - ESPECIALLY - for Roleplay.

ShivaFang

Aszkalon wrote: »

In WoW Example on my Server - i will never and i truly mean "NEVER" - see a huge Dwarf-Group otherwise. Or an Elf-Group. Or a Human Soldiers/Knights Group.

Vanilla had PvP/RP servers. I joined a troll-only guild. Was definitely a thing, you just didn't know where to look.

Noaani

Aszkalon wrote: »

ShivaFang wrote: »

What disadvantages to you see in being in a race-only guild ?

We. - NEED. - race-only. Guilds. !!

In WoW Example on my Server - i will never and i truly mean "NEVER" - see a huge Dwarf-Group otherwise. Or an Elf-Group. Or a Human Soldiers/Knights Group.

It is a sad but solid Truth. People need to organise it. Especially - ESPECIALLY - for Roleplay.

Why do you NEED to see a huge Dwarf group?

Lodrig

Might be interesting to see the some mechanical effects from a racial archeture of a node.

It could provide some buffs to all node citizens, essentially a round about way to have racial buffs through group interaction rather then individual character creation. Several buff options could exist with the mayor choosing which one to activate.

Myosotys

Garrtok wrote: »

Flanker wrote: »

I guess this helps?

It's just 440 people...

Still it's a meaningful sample. Enough to understand that no race will have an overwhelming majority. So diversity gonna be here.

It's seems to me logic that that architecture sues to the majority. Imagine some small doors for Goblins where 80% of the population is tall.

Garrtok

Myosotys wrote: »

Garrtok wrote: »

Flanker wrote: »

I guess this helps?

It's just 440 people...

Still it's a meaningful sample. Enough to understand that no race will have an overwhelming majority. So diversity gonna be here.

It's seems to me logic that that architecture sues to the majority. Imagine some small doors for Goblins where 80% of the population is tall.

Regarding all backers and supporters, as well as potential overall players, no 440 is not enough.

Anyways, even if there are guilds forming with one single race only and they are able to get a node - it's anyways a system that doesn't favor diversity. You will have dominant races

Pendragxn

CROW3

imo if there’s going to be racial architecture differences, I’d rather the node villages/cities have a consistent look & feel. This would be better than every city looking like a hodge-podge of random edifices.

I don’t care if it’s based on population, or the mayor, or some other attribute.

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