Corruption penalty needs to be changed

i am enjoying the game so far except for the corruption system, as it is and i know its just for A2, but it was WAY to harsh, dropping gear should not be existent on corruption 1, and 25% stat dampening is just ridiculous, also it does not fit the combat at all when you can be ganked, fight back, and then accidently one shot someone from an aoe ability causing you to lose hours of time and gear for a bad mechanic, please look at this, safe spots in cities should be enough we don't need 25% reduced stats and drops because of carebears

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Araga

Chicago wrote: »

i am enjoying the game so far except for the corruption system, as it is and i know its just for A2, but it was WAY to harsh, dropping gear should not be existent on corruption 1, and 25% stat dampening is just ridiculous, also it does not fit the combat at all when you can be ganked, fight back, and then accidently one shot someone from an aoe ability causing you to lose hours of time and gear for a bad mechanic, please look at this, safe spots in cities should be enough we don't need 25% reduced stats and drops because of carebears

Not sure if you are aware but the situation you are talking about is not really possible.

You can not effect non-combatant targets with AoE spells until you hit them with a single target ability first.

You certainly can be ganked, and elect to fight back or not. If you fight back, just don't target the people with green names and you will not have to worry about accidentally killing someone. If you elect to not fight back, return to your body (with or without friends) and kill the newly corrupted player(s) for some free loot.

You are not really at risk of becoming corrupted by accident.

Chicago

Araga wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

i am enjoying the game so far except for the corruption system, as it is and i know its just for A2, but it was WAY to harsh, dropping gear should not be existent on corruption 1, and 25% stat dampening is just ridiculous, also it does not fit the combat at all when you can be ganked, fight back, and then accidently one shot someone from an aoe ability causing you to lose hours of time and gear for a bad mechanic, please look at this, safe spots in cities should be enough we don't need 25% reduced stats and drops because of carebears

Not sure if you are aware but the situation you are talking about is not really possible.

You can not effect non-combatant targets with AoE spells until you hit them with a single target ability first.

You certainly can be ganked, and elect to fight back or not. If you fight back, just don't target the people with green names and you will not have to worry about accidentally killing someone. If you elect to not fight back, return to your body (with or without friends) and kill the newly corrupted player(s) for some free loot.

You are not really at risk of becoming corrupted by accident.

this is not true, make a ranger and charge a scatter shot, it will hit anyone in the line of fire

Alzeido

I have found the opposite to be true. People grind til max level and go around griefing everyone else since the level difference makes gear irrelevant, a lvl 11 has no chance vs a lvl 25. If anything corruption should be much much more severe. pvp is fine but PKing, specially in alpha when there's no possible way to combat it and the large zerg guilds that band togerther to kill 2-5 player groups just makes it pointless. can't make money to even try to hire people to defend the caravan because its just not worth it. if you die, nomatter what the costs you gain EXP debt, lose 25% of your resources and drop 25% more. In a test phase where death AT ALL is way way too punishing for everyone, PKers (corrupted players) need to drop all their gear and have 50% of their stats gone until worked off, and it should take more than a few kills of mobs to remove it, like 20mins to 1h grinding minimum.

Its a test phase, not a release. nothing is balanced, having these punishments for death is way too harsh at all. a lvl 25 shouldnt be able to force a lvl 10 to have 25% of your resources (Including Glint) deletes, and 25% of it to claim for themselves. frankly the long walk back from the last attuned node is punishment enough for dying to begin with.

LordManmode

Was trying to level a mage on PTR to test out new changes. Some dude came and griefed me. He was litteraly just running around looking for lowbies to grief.. lol The corruption level should increase exponentially with the level gap until the point where ganking lowbies give a 100% corruption level ASAP. ^.^

Well first he tried to drag a high level mob into me to avoid corruption but when that failed he attacked.. lol

Aardvark

Chicago wrote: »

i am enjoying the game so far except for the corruption system, as it is and i know its just for A2, but it was WAY to harsh, dropping gear should not be existent on corruption 1, and 25% stat dampening is just ridiculous, also it does not fit the combat at all when you can be ganked, fight back, and then accidently one shot someone from an aoe ability causing you to lose hours of time and gear for a bad mechanic, please look at this, safe spots in cities should be enough we don't need 25% reduced stats and drops because of carebears

They need to change it so of the 3 pieces of gear only 2 get dropped the last one gets destroyed that way people can't exploit the system by having someone they know kill them and return their gear.

Chicago

Aardvark wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

i am enjoying the game so far except for the corruption system, as it is and i know its just for A2, but it was WAY to harsh, dropping gear should not be existent on corruption 1, and 25% stat dampening is just ridiculous, also it does not fit the combat at all when you can be ganked, fight back, and then accidently one shot someone from an aoe ability causing you to lose hours of time and gear for a bad mechanic, please look at this, safe spots in cities should be enough we don't need 25% reduced stats and drops because of carebears

They need to change it so of the 3 pieces of gear only 2 get dropped the last one gets destroyed that way people can't exploit the system by having someone they know kill them and return their gear.

For level 1 corruption you should never lose gear

Mico

Gardosien

For level 1 corruption you should never lose gear, yes it should for the same reason above, at level 1, I can just have a teammate kill me to clear corruption so I do not advance to level 2. Suffering zero penalty for me ganking that guys 10 levels lower than me over and over again. This is already an active way of clearing corruption, seen it multiple times. And who knows how many times guys ran out of view to clear it.

daveywavey

Gardosien wrote: »

For level 1 corruption you should never lose gear, yes it should for the same reason above, at level 1, I can just have a teammate kill me to clear corruption so I do not advance to level 2. Suffering zero penalty for me ganking that guys 10 levels lower than me over and over again. This is already an active way of clearing corruption, seen it multiple times. And who knows how many times guys ran out of view to clear it.

Why does that mean that you shouldn't lose gear?

Gardosien

means the gear should go POOF! Not drop so your teammate can kill you take the items, than give them back while clearing the corruption. Which is already common practice on test for people running around ganking low levels.

Birqa

we have the same discussion in two threads from the same day. can we have it in only one of them pls?

nanfoodle

My problem is not the form of discomfort from penalties, I have been MMOing since all MMOs stared that way. EQ launch for me.

My problem is I want this PvX game so badly but the world is so massive. To have risk vs reward everywhere. You will need allot of people playing per server. Nothing is tuned to casual play. Casuel's make up i think, normally 60 to 80% of any games population depending on the type of MMO.

From crafting to death penalty. I personally don't think severs will have that balance. This means 1. Make the game more casual friendly and keep the map size or 2. Make the map smaller and keep the burn.

Easiest of the two is lower the burn rate.

JeanPhilippeGunghar

nanfoodle wrote: »

My problem is not the form of discomfort from penalties, I have been MMOing since all MMOs stared that way. EQ launch for me.

My problem is I want this PvX game so badly but the world is so massive. To have risk vs reward everywhere. You will need allot of people playing per server. Nothing is tuned to casual play. Casuel's make up i think, normally 60 to 80% of any games population depending on the type of MMO.

From crafting to death penalty. I personally don't think severs will have that balance. This means 1. Make the game more casual friendly and keep the map size or 2. Make the map smaller and keep the burn.

Easiest of the two is lower the burn rate.

Ashes is not a casual game FYI.

nanfoodle

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

My problem is not the form of discomfort from penalties, I have been MMOing since all MMOs stared that way. EQ launch for me.

My problem is I want this PvX game so badly but the world is so massive. To have risk vs reward everywhere. You will need allot of people playing per server. Nothing is tuned to casual play. Casuel's make up i think, normally 60 to 80% of any games population depending on the type of MMO.

From crafting to death penalty. I personally don't think severs will have that balance. This means 1. Make the game more casual friendly and keep the map size or 2. Make the map smaller and keep the burn.

Easiest of the two is lower the burn rate.

Ashes is not a casual game FYI.

May want to read the wiki. There is many ways this game will cater to casuel gamers.

https://www.ashesofcreation.wiki/Playstyles

What Steven has said this game will not be casuel play style. This game will be about risk and reward but the promise was casuels will have a place. Current game play has driven away most of them. So this was the plans and was a lie. Or things need to be adjusted. Ashes will not be profitable without casuel's.

JeanPhilippeGunghar

nanfoodle wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

My problem is not the form of discomfort from penalties, I have been MMOing since all MMOs stared that way. EQ launch for me.

My problem is I want this PvX game so badly but the world is so massive. To have risk vs reward everywhere. You will need allot of people playing per server. Nothing is tuned to casual play. Casuel's make up i think, normally 60 to 80% of any games population depending on the type of MMO.

From crafting to death penalty. I personally don't think severs will have that balance. This means 1. Make the game more casual friendly and keep the map size or 2. Make the map smaller and keep the burn.

Easiest of the two is lower the burn rate.

Ashes is not a casual game FYI.

May want to read the wiki. There is many ways this game will cater to casuel gamers.

https://www.ashesofcreation.wiki/Playstyles

What Steven has said this game will not be casuel play style. This game will be about risk and reward but the promise was casuels will have a place. Current game play has driven away most of them. So this was the plans and was a lie. Or things need to be adjusted. Ashes will not be profitable without casuel's.

That what I said. Not 100% casual friendly.

nanfoodle

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

My problem is not the form of discomfort from penalties, I have been MMOing since all MMOs stared that way. EQ launch for me.

My problem is I want this PvX game so badly but the world is so massive. To have risk vs reward everywhere. You will need allot of people playing per server. Nothing is tuned to casual play. Casuel's make up i think, normally 60 to 80% of any games population depending on the type of MMO.

From crafting to death penalty. I personally don't think severs will have that balance. This means 1. Make the game more casual friendly and keep the map size or 2. Make the map smaller and keep the burn.

Easiest of the two is lower the burn rate.

Ashes is not a casual game FYI.

May want to read the wiki. There is many ways this game will cater to casuel gamers.

https://www.ashesofcreation.wiki/Playstyles

What Steven has said this game will not be casuel play style. This game will be about risk and reward but the promise was casuels will have a place. Current game play has driven away most of them. So this was the plans and was a lie. Or things need to be adjusted. Ashes will not be profitable without casuel's.

That what I said. Not 100% casual friendly.

You not getting what I'm saying its tuned too high on the pain side to have casuel's want to play. Have the pain but not pain for pain sake. Look what old school gave us that adds to the game and what is inconvenience for inconvenience sake, drop it or lower it.

JeanPhilippeGunghar

nanfoodle wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

JeanPhilippeGunghar wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

My problem is not the form of discomfort from penalties, I have been MMOing since all MMOs stared that way. EQ launch for me.

My problem is I want this PvX game so badly but the world is so massive. To have risk vs reward everywhere. You will need allot of people playing per server. Nothing is tuned to casual play. Casuel's make up i think, normally 60 to 80% of any games population depending on the type of MMO.

From crafting to death penalty. I personally don't think severs will have that balance. This means 1. Make the game more casual friendly and keep the map size or 2. Make the map smaller and keep the burn.

Easiest of the two is lower the burn rate.

Ashes is not a casual game FYI.

May want to read the wiki. There is many ways this game will cater to casuel gamers.

https://www.ashesofcreation.wiki/Playstyles

What Steven has said this game will not be casuel play style. This game will be about risk and reward but the promise was casuels will have a place. Current game play has driven away most of them. So this was the plans and was a lie. Or things need to be adjusted. Ashes will not be profitable without casuel's.

That what I said. Not 100% casual friendly.

You not getting what I'm saying its tuned too high on the pain side to have casuel's want to play. Have the pain but not pain for pain sake. Look what old school gave us that adds to the game and what is inconvenience for inconvenience sake, drop it or lower it.

I know a game like AoC needs to appeals to casuals to survive. **Cross fingers**

Gardosien

"They need to change it so of the 3 pieces of gear only 2 get dropped the last one gets destroyed that way people can't exploit the system by having someone they know kill them and return their gear."
I totally agree , even at lev 1 this should happen.
In phase 2.5 on my lev 19 toon I was personally killed 4 times by different "teams" when I was between lev 15-19. Teams being 2 or 3 players. All this team attacking me had someone 5 levels higher than me, and they all hit me when I was fighting mobs. I personally watched them kill each other to clear corp and avoid the down side of ganking lower lev players.
This type of action is clearly becoming the norm to clear corruption. I can not count for the times I have been killed that the players ran out of my LOS and had teammate clear corruption, but can only assume its been a few times atleast and 4 that I am positive of.
System is broken if it that easily manipulated and circumvented by a party of 2 players. These are griefers, not people that want to test, they do not care about the game, why cater to them . In short term they will run off other players from testing.

Gardosien

. "I know a game like AoC needs to appeals to casuals to survive. **Cross fingers**
Turn on your flag run up to SB, start hitting random people you can find great duels this way, I have done so for endless hours on my lev 25. DO NOT confuse people wanting to pvp and people just being jerks killing unguided low level players. As far as casual goes the only time I ever seen anyone with Flag up for the most part is ,
1.)Killing low lev Players
2.)looted a body
3.)Zerging a town with a guild
4.)Event PVP
I have seen like 2 people running around with flags on. Basic fact is the community as a whole is not "hardcore". If your hardcore level with your flag on, face the fact you will die more than you will Kill doing this. Not wait till odds are in your favor, than flag up and than fight. A true PVP sever would be nice IMO. For all those flexing about casuals are damaging the game. FLAG UP or shut up imo

Ludullu

We just need the properly finished (and implemented) gear crafting and decay system. Crafting should require gear parts along with general mats. And when you need to repair your gear - you need to use the same stuff you used for the initial craft.

And corruption will decay the gear BY A LOT, so you'd be effectively destroying your gear if you let your friends kill you. Even better if on Red death all of the gear in your inventory and on you decayed, with inventory stuff decaying at a relatively slower rate. This would address the classic avoidance strat of "just equip shitty gear before you PK".

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