Towns need to be combat free

After a wave of guild war and node wars over the holidays it should now be self evident that combat in towns (village or high nodes) is never going to be a viable part of gameplay and that towns should be rendered a non-combat zone for all members of wars with the possible acception of a node siege war, which we have yet to see any implementation of.

The main reason pvp in town will never be good is because it will always be AFK bottom feeding, because towns by their nature are where people are performing the slow and tedious processing of materials, and or have their heads stuck into the games many shopping, storage, inventory, NPC etc menus and UI's. All of this town activity together constitutes a guaranteed place where players will be sitting ducks, and thus anyone engaging them is simply taking kills without comenserate risk or even a shred of sportsmanship for that matter.

Even if the more obvous exploits on guid/node wars are fixed, such as not being instant, no warning starts. Or being a grotequely simplistic and obvously griefer incentivized 'gank counter' based (and instead become some objective based system). We would still have the general pvp permission between opposing sides which would allow ganking in town so that needs to be explicityly prevented by changing the rules. That change could be just letting the guards stop all pvp flagged players or it could be preventing flagging itself within town boundries.

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Aszkalon

I think the first to six Levels are free of PvP ... ...

But when i was in a Guild a while ago, someone who i think was trying to smear "ASMONGOLD" from the US created a Guild which was also named []ASMONGOLD[] or so,

and that Guild "declared War" on the Guild i was in -> and killed even a few of my Guilds Members at the time.

Making me realise -> People can use this to avoid the Corruption System in Case Guilds at War are never going corrupt no matter how many People of the opposing Guild they kill and no matter how the Odd's are in Player Numbers and Player Levels, right ?

Of Course this is not necessarily a bad thing. It is actually a very exciting thing. It makes the Game more stunning. But i realise i can get ganked and murdered BETWEEN CITY GUARDS i think - and the Guards would never attack and fight my Gankers because these wouldn't get even get corrupt - right ?

Mag7spy

Agreed people shouldnt be killed in towns, and there either needs to be a safe way to move between nodes, or multiple spawn points you can pick from on death to not be spawn camped or in some cases node camped. IE if you have a node war and are losing and a zerg just camps your town while you are unable to leave or reposition ever for the entire duration of the war or as long as they want to camp you.

Only way to counter that kinds of camping is if very powerful guards could create space around the node making it difficult for large zergs to linger around. Though most likely wouldnt work to tell vrs a guild that brings like over 200 people.

Knetik

While I was originally a proponent of this, the more you understand the game, the more this is kind of an issue. There are SO many players that legit just like to sit in town and craft, chat, and RP. These players shouldnt get camped at crafting stations and warehouses for their mats.

On the full other side, it would be cool to see servers and guilds band together for shifts of town guards haha

blktauna

Keep in mind that at this juncture crafting is so tedious and time consuming that in order to make anything you have to spend a lot of time in town. There will be a revolt is you get interrupted in the middle of building some stupidly involved item and get your mats stolen.

Gizban

It's silly that players can hack each other and the guards do nothing. Are they not town guards?!

Pyrolol

Guards do kill you when you get flagged for attacking or looting a dead body in town?
Who said they don’t

Arya_Yeshe

I have been saying the same thing since 2022? Yes, since 2022, but instead of getting the well deserved support I got berated by the green horde in this forum!

I absolutely loved ganking people running industry semi-afk in Ultima Online and completely stealing their stuff, this is very important for good gameplay. I also did industry in the city sometimes and it was a rush of adrenalin, UO in the 90's was when industry wasn't boring, thank you Sir!

Recently, in EVE Online there's a NPC store on space where there is no security at all, people are using the shop without whining about it, sometimes someone gets ganked, sometimes not, everybody is having fun with thrilling industry.

HiddenDaggerInn

If it's anything like Archeage was you could kill in towns, the guards would aggro you though. I'm personally ok with guild wars and node wars taking place in towns, it adds a little excitement and keeps you engaged it current affairs and what you're keeping on your person while in town.

AirborneBerserker

Knetik wrote: »

While I was originally a proponent of this, the more you understand the game, the more this is kind of an issue. There are SO many players that legit just like to sit in town and craft, chat, and RP. These players shouldnt get camped at crafting stations and warehouses for their mats.

On the full other side, it would be cool to see servers and guilds band together for shifts of town guards haha

1 Why would you like this?

2 why would you suggest this? Have you ever done something like that? It's INSANLEY boring. Not to mention most of them would just AFK and watch porn.

eyawn

I think a small safe zones around the market stalls (as that is where you'd sit in menus and look up goods) having that as a safe zone would allow people to "shop for goods". if you wanted, you could make that a town buff, increase the size of the market/safe zone.

now, there nothing stopping someone who's watching someone buy goods in the market, and just kill them to take their goods. crazy that they tell people to use menus, but then don't create a safe area for you to do so.

tropicalrush

Just put powerful guards, safe zones in some parts of town could be good too

Songcaller

Wow. PvE crowd has some how overtaken all the pvx and pvp veterans.

eyawn

Songcaller wrote: »

Wow. PvE crowd has some how overtaken all the pvx and pvp veterans.

constructive....

Songcaller

Yeah it is constructive. Because you have the corruption system. Node war and guild war is a pvp system. If pvp system going pvx then corruption system should be pvx with less pvp punishment. Can't have everything your way.

Glir

Songcaller wrote: »

Wow. PvE crowd has some how overtaken all the pvx and pvp veterans.

This is my biggest fear in Ashes. That the PVE audience will put pressure on Intrepid and demand that PVP content be cut. But I think the Intrepids will endure all this.

eyawn

Songcaller wrote: »

Yeah it is constructive. Because you have the corruption system. Node war and guild war is a pvp system. If pvp system going pvx then corruption system should be pvx with less pvp punishment. Can't have everything your way.

can't have everything my way? what the hell are you even talking about? get your head out of your rear end, and start making sense.

what does xp debt mean, if you don't need it? nothing. so your bs about corruption is useless, as it is rendered moot.

all I said is that the safe zone should be tied to node progression, in an economic node.

eyawn

Lineager wrote: »

Songcaller wrote: »

Wow. PvE crowd has some how overtaken all the pvx and pvp veterans.

This is my biggest fear in Ashes. That the PVE audience will put pressure on Intrepid and demand that PVP content be cut. But I think the Intrepids will endure all this.

lol you really think that's how it works? lol you think there's mobs of people writing letters to the studio? Who even writes letters now a days!

it isn't that at all. it is player count. games change when no one is playing them, but devs still work for the company.

take for instance this game. by the time the game launches. there is a real fear, that the people who talk like you will be the only ones left. which won't be enough to pay the bills. then what? turn off the servers? or adapt the game to bring in a new audience in. usually the last one wins. it has 0 to do with "pvp" and "pvx" crowd. some games goto pay to win. some games try, most games die.

game is good, but it will fail with how the market is setup. supply/demand will be it's downfall. which is why it is too funny, when people like to see the supply get hurt more due to pvp... it is what it is...

Noaani

Lineager wrote: »

Songcaller wrote: »

Wow. PvE crowd has some how overtaken all the pvx and pvp veterans.

This is my biggest fear in Ashes. That the PVE audience will put pressure on Intrepid and demand that PVP content be cut. But I think the Intrepids will endure all this.

This doesn't make any sense.

Developers don't change games based on forum posts.

Songcaller

eyawn wrote: »

Songcaller wrote: »

Yeah it is constructive. Because you have the corruption system. Node war and guild war is a pvp system. If pvp system going pvx then corruption system should be pvx with less pvp punishment. Can't have everything your way.

can't have everything my way? what the hell are you even talking about? get your head out of your rear end, and start making sense.

what does xp debt mean, if you don't need it? nothing. so your bs about corruption is useless, as it is rendered moot.

all I said is that the safe zone should be tied to node progression, in an economic node.

Listen mate. I have had a 40 page argument with Noaani. I have never met you before but opening with insults get no actual results. Furthermore, what makes an economic node require an immunity bubble? Do you have Hogwarts besieged by death eaters? Perhaps you think fat merchants would have a safe house at home so in game it means immunity? Either way, no immunity was given for streamers and no immunity will be given fir 1/5th of the combat nodes.

Noaani

eyawn wrote: »

what does xp debt mean, if you don't need it? nothing.

You are a little misinformed here.

Experience debt is the name of a debuff. That debuff gives you a penalty to your combat efficacy, lowers drop rates on mobs you kill, and is only removed via paying it off with gaining experience.

So, what "xp debt means if you don't need it (it being experience)", is it means being less effective in both PvP and PvE, and it also means getting lower drop rates for you and your group.

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