For the love of casuals PLEASE

We NEED semi-safe caravans for casuals. Without this, casual players will be left out of a major part of the game. Please consider removing the attack/defend from caravans and just make it follow zone rules. If people want to steal a caravan in normal zones, they need to go red. Lawless zones are still open PvP. To balance, lower safe zone trade rewards but increase lawless zone caravan rewards. I am 100% for risk/reward. But right now, the only low risk option is straight selling your glint to a vendor. It just feels like doodoo to go grind monsters, to just sell your gains to a vendor like grey trash in WoW. Especially when you know the gameplay loop is to caravan that glint to another node. Give casual players the time sink that is moving a caravan. Let them have a small endorphin hit when they make it to the end safely. It doesn't take away from the hardcore players sweating it out running caravans to lawless zones at all. I really do not see any negative to this change, as long as the reward differences are significant.

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

Aszkalon

Gyn wrote: »

If people want to steal a caravan in normal zones, they need to go red.

But you only go red when you have murdered someone who didn't fight back at all ... ...

Sathrago

Gyn wrote: »

We NEED semi-safe caravans for casuals. Without this, casual players will be left out of a major part of the game. Please consider removing the attack/defend from caravans and just make it follow zone rules. If people want to steal a caravan in normal zones, they need to go red. Lawless zones are still open PvP. To balance, lower safe zone trade rewards but increase lawless zone caravan rewards. I am 100% for risk/reward. But right now, the only low risk option is straight selling your glint to a vendor. It just feels like doodoo to go grind monsters, to just sell your gains to a vendor like grey trash in WoW. Especially when you know the gameplay loop is to caravan that glint to another node. Give casual players the time sink that is moving a caravan. Let them have a small endorphin hit when they make it to the end safely. It doesn't take away from the hardcore players sweating it out running caravans to lawless zones at all. I really do not see any negative to this change, as long as the reward differences are significant.

its called using your mount instead. Thats the casual caravan. the whole point of caravans is that you understand you are risking your profit via pvp in a consensual manner. (even though just playing the game means you consent to pvp I digress)

Now I believe currently you cannot use your mount for commodities but it should be possible in the future. Sorry if you like the idea of caravans, but this is not something they are going to change as its one of their main pvp types for the entire game.

daveywavey

Gyn wrote: »

Especially when you know the gameplay loop is to caravan that glint to another node.

The gameplay loop is to group up and defend the caravan while you take it to another node. It was never meant to be a free ride. If you go by yourself or in small numbers, expect to lose every single one of them.

eyawn

Gyn wrote: »

We NEED semi-safe caravans for casuals. Without this, casual players will be left out of a major part of the game. Please consider removing the attack/defend from caravans and just make it follow zone rules. If people want to steal a caravan in normal zones, they need to go red. Lawless zones are still open PvP. To balance, lower safe zone trade rewards but increase lawless zone caravan rewards. I am 100% for risk/reward. But right now, the only low risk option is straight selling your glint to a vendor. It just feels like doodoo to go grind monsters, to just sell your gains to a vendor like grey trash in WoW. Especially when you know the gameplay loop is to caravan that glint to another node. Give casual players the time sink that is moving a caravan. Let them have a small endorphin hit when they make it to the end safely. It doesn't take away from the hardcore players sweating it out running caravans to lawless zones at all. I really do not see any negative to this change, as long as the reward differences are significant.

I agree. but I think personally, corruption needs actaul level loss. if a max level char, takes on a 1st time low level caravan. if the max guy can kill the caravan without killing the low level char. good, he gets the loot. if not, and max level kills the low level player, than that max level is now at that level of chars with corruption applied.

if max levels want to fight low levels. then they can be equalized.

eyawn

daveywavey wrote: »

Gyn wrote: »

Especially when you know the gameplay loop is to caravan that glint to another node.

The gameplay loop is to group up and defend the caravan while you take it to another node. It was never meant to be a free ride. If you go by yourself or in small numbers, expect to lose every single one of them.

you do see what that will do to player driven markets don't you?

you like to sell legendary items for silver? or better yet, the npc vendors. money needs to flow around verra, or deflation will be a game ending. no body wants login bonuses, to keep the markets a float.

Ludullu

eyawn

Ludullu wrote: »

No

Absolutely yes!

There's a reason why goverments measure velocity of money. With separated markets like there are in verra. there better be huge amounts of gold going back and forth to be worth it. which there isn't as it is concentrated in the hands of the few. so deflation is the next inevitable outcome. or login bonuses lol nobody wants them. lol I don't make the shit up, it is how it works.

can't wait to buy mounts for less than it takes to make them!! boo yeah!!! that's a W. ya can see why it is bound to change. right?

Ludullu

eyawn wrote: »

right?

Vhaeyne

No.

https://ashesofcreation.com

"Risk vs Reward" is right there on the main page.

If you can't handle the risk of running a caravan you don't deserve the reward.

Don't like PvX? Don't play a PvX game.

Pyrolol

- Call guildies
- Pay for protection
- Ask friends/family to help
- Ask randoms to help
- Do it at less peak times

If none of those easy solutions work
Run it with just ya mount

Songcaller

Nope.

bloodprophet

Caravans are intended to be group PVP content. Always has been.

Join a guild or make friends to help you do them

Spenta

I also agree that the company should stick to its mantra of risk vs reward as others have said in this thread. The only thing I'd like to see change w/ caravans is providing an incentive for defenders as Attackers do get far less risk (actually only risk to attackers is repair bills ... not sure that is a fair exchange maybe they should get some sort of criminal status (not corruption) but criminal that needs time to disappear or work off that just makes it so guards in towns can attack you? or bounty hunters can get postings about such players? I dunno but.. the Risk is heavy on the Caravan w/ no risk to attackers, not really).

Dezemi

Caravans are not meant to be a free gold printing system. The reason it gives any profit is *because* of the risk associated with transportation.

If you want safe profit, sell the glint to the vendor.
Or, if you want to run caravans:
* Pay a fee to have people not attack (bandit guilds usually just take a bit of the profit, not all of it - at least on EU.)
* Reach out to other PvP guilds asking for defense in exchange for some of the profit.
* Call for friends.
* Use odd hours and off-road routes to avoid being ambushed.

Caravans would be such a boring and *mandatory* time sink if it was risk free. I absolutely do not want that.

eyawn

Vhaeyne wrote: »

No.

https://ashesofcreation.com

"Risk vs Reward" is right there on the main page.

If you can't handle the risk of running a caravan you don't deserve the reward.

Don't like PvX? Don't play a PvX game.

what's the risk of a max level ganking a low level? xp debt? that doesn't matter? that interaction shouldn't happen.

eyawn

Dezmerizing wrote: »

Caravans are not meant to be a free gold printing system. The reason it gives any profit is *because* of the risk associated with transportation.

If you want safe profit, sell the glint to the vendor.
Or, if you want to run caravans:
* Pay a fee to have people not attack (bandit guilds usually just take a bit of the profit, not all of it - at least on EU.)
* Reach out to other PvP guilds asking for defense in exchange for some of the profit.
* Call for friends.
* Use odd hours and off-road routes to avoid being ambushed.

Caravans would be such a boring and *mandatory* time sink if it was risk free. I absolutely do not want that.

no one saidnthey should get a free pass.

high level players should leave low level caravans alone ... that interaction is game ruining.

Dezemi

eyawn wrote: »

Dezmerizing wrote: »

Caravans are not meant to be a free gold printing system. The reason it gives any profit is *because* of the risk associated with transportation.

If you want safe profit, sell the glint to the vendor.
Or, if you want to run caravans:
* Pay a fee to have people not attack (bandit guilds usually just take a bit of the profit, not all of it - at least on EU.)
* Reach out to other PvP guilds asking for defense in exchange for some of the profit.
* Call for friends.
* Use odd hours and off-road routes to avoid being ambushed.

Caravans would be such a boring and *mandatory* time sink if it was risk free. I absolutely do not want that.

no one saidnthey should get a free pass.

high level players should leave low level caravans alone ... that interaction is game ruining.

Okay... So first and foremost:

This would be abused to hell and back. People would make glint farms with one lower level character in higher level parties (that then loots all of the glint) just to avoid PvP during caravans.. which would result in PvPers just making "twinks" (characters with very good gear with 0 intentions of being leveled) to rob caravans.

In addition, I doubt level restrictions would make low level caravans safer, if anything it'd just highlight the bandit guilds at the same time as you'd lose potential high level defenders as I have a hard time believing there are enough spiteful people that would make their own twink *just* to combat the bandit twinks for little to no real profit other than *potential* PvP satisfaction.

To me, a level restriction system seems like something that would just make low level caravans more exposed. Fewer potential capable defenders, and the nature of using twinks instead of their main characters would just enable bandit guilds to have these PvP characters parked close to good caravan hunting spot; instead of having to actually move their mains to the caravan location from where-ever they were beforehand.

CROW3

No. Caravans are roving pvp events, that’s the entire point. If you don’t like it, then take your chances moving your own mats.

OP is trying to frame this for casuals, it’s not. It’s trying to create a PvE only version of Ashes.

WoW is that way ——>

Volgaris

Caravans is a group activity. Strongly disagree with taking making them something you can do solo. What's next a solo castle siege? Even you can't get gather players to help protect your caravan you can still join in on someone else's caravan defense/attack. The adhoc nature of it is good and bad, but it allows you to participate in the activity. i like this design (though not really working atm). Most caravan events will be organized by a group of players or a guild.

I agree with Crow3 your trying to frame this as a causal issue, but it's really a PvP issue.

CROW3

Volgaris wrote: »

Caravans is a group activity. Strongly disagree with taking making them something you can do solo. What's next a solo castle siege?

Child Item