Drop the hammer

If we dont perma ban people who keep cheating and exploiting. It will just have others feel free to do much the same. Its time to let people know this is not worth it. These should be confirmed reported and not used.

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SmileGurney

If cheating isn't good, then why it's paid for my early retirement?

LumberJak

It will be a wonderful day when Intrepid learn some integrity and actually hold their favourite guilds accountable for their actions.

People exploiting with no repercussions less than a week after Steven made a big post specifically stating that exploiters will be permanently banned is such a joke.

Rasmanit

SpyMask

Won't have a respite till every single polar exploiter is punished
Edit: this is from this phase when they mysteriously managed to outlevel everyone in 2 (two) days

Goratrix

What are we looking at here? Boss half HP, player 3/4 HP... what's the deal?
Keyboard warriors ought to just git gud ffs.

Lakkez

one pic is hardly proof of cheating or exploiting. here are a few reasons just on this pic alone as to why. being able to kite a mob =/= exploiting the mob to where you stand still and take no damage. kiting is a skill and learning the terrain and mob pathing is not exploiting, its basic gameplay.
this is a bad picture taken with an angle and timing that makes it seem worse than it is.

Seetsuma

Edit: this is from this phase when they mysteriously managed to outlevel everyone in 2 (two) days

There's literally nothing mysterious about it. 3 members of the 2nd group of 8 to hit 25 in the world streamed the entire 1-25 on twitch and have vods enabled. They were like an hour before the 1st group.
https://www.twitch.tv/llewdlloyd/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/whoisroxis/videos

Miruku is the 3rd that streamed it, however I don't have his twitch name.

Vhaeyne

Steven has joked about the public shaming of banned characters and accounts.

I don’t think it should be a joke.

I would love for him to disregard the “care bears” on his team who advise against it and make the names public. People deserve to know who is exploiting and what consequences they face.

Punishments should be harsher and delivered more quickly.

sternzy

i'm a simple man. if i see people exploit and they arent held accountable i'm going to do the same.
if i get banned then the game wasn't worth paying monthly anyway.
rules need to be applied to everyone equally.
i think it's pretty clear exploits were used for personal gain. to whatever degree. i seem to remember that this wasnt supposed to be allowed.
so ya, now where all waiting for intrepid to set the example.

Caww

Let them cheat, get caught and then only slapped on the wrist.... these people are finding all the loopholes the Dev team could not find or anticipate. The population of cheaters/exploiters is limited so taking advantage of the few who show an interest in this game is too good of an opportunity to squash thru bans (after all, they paid to).

SmileGurney

On a more serious note, I doubt its in Intrepid interest at the moment to ban those cheaters who bring to their attention new glitches and exploits. Even if those cheaters do it accidently.

I would imagine they might move against those who really break any of the game systems, act maliciously and/or disrupt their services.

Mepps

We take cheating and reports of cheating very seriously. We encourage anyone with proof to submit a report to our customer service team in a ticket.

nanfoodle

Sad the same people seem to magicly get lvl 25 in a day or two. Seeing pics online of people soloing level 28 three star mobs with pathing exploits. Then they take over the good spot, gear up first and wreck the economy and PVP

Depraved

i want to know what the leveling exploits where?

leveling to 25 in 25-30 hours was doable in p1 and p2. leveling fast requires a constant party. leveling in p3 is harder for sure, but if you spent lots of time in the ptr figuring it out, then you could do it fast. also, having a full party 24/7 kind of makes up for not having too much gear.

Enurihel

Caww wrote: »

Let them cheat, get caught and then only slapped on the wrist.... these people are finding all the loopholes the Dev team could not find or anticipate. The population of cheaters/exploiters is limited so taking advantage of the few who show an interest in this game is too good of an opportunity to squash thru bans (after all, they paid to).

I kind of agree, up to a point. If you find an exploit you should report it and stop using it. Continuing to use it, after Steven has put out on multiple occasions not to do so should result in a permanent ban and non-refund. At that point your not helping to test, you are actually doing more harm then good to the game. And intrepid not taking a harsher stance on this.

nanfoodle

Here is our biggest problem. From Reddit, to youtubers, mmo fan URLs and more, even in discord, this is being talked about. Once a developer gets a rep, its hard to change gamers mind. For many you only get one shot at what gamers label you as. Right now, its IS and Steven are not here to protect gamers. You can exploit, sell gold and get away with it. Thats the common thought I see all over the place. Even in Ashes discord. Sad thing, this is a game designed for MMOers/Gamers by a gamer. I would hate to see this as the hill IS died on.

Volgaris

Exploits and cheating will kill this game. They can nail everything else and make a great game to play, but no matter how good it is, if exploits and/or rmt is allowed the game will die fast. Might survive in Korea. As players we'll know, there will be clear signs.

It's alpha, so I don't care right now, they should do what they think is best. If you don't like it, in alpha don't play/test that's how they'll know exploits are actually affecting testers. I've already invested, and I would still if I haven't yet. Report, post, and move on I say.

When it launches if there are exploits or rmts I'll take a break until Ashes of Creations releases as Phoenix Reborn.

Okeydoke

I don't know who's cheating or not. And I don't know if Intrepid is sanctioning cheating or picking favorites. But it is making news. The idiots at massivelyop have an article up about it.

But I don't know and I'm not going to make any accusations against any players or Intrepid.

Here's what I do know. And this is only in the context of IF Intrepid is sanctioning or ignoring cheating.

You won't be able to hide it Intrepid. I promise you, you won't be able to. It's a far different environment now than it was 9 years ago when you started making the game. Gamers aren't as clueless anymore. Cheating is out of control across all genres of video games. And people are aware now. It's not a question of if people are cheating, it's just how many and how bad.

There are multiple youtube channels dedicated solely to catching cheaters. And that they do. There is evidence in some games, Escape from Tarkov for instance, that 50-60% of the player base is cheating. Didn't Dr Lupo get busted for cheating in freakin CHESS? lol, I dunno that's what I heard. But the cheating is everywhere. People even cheat in single player games.

And this isn't just kinda run of the mill, "oh let me just cheat a lil bit" kinda cheating. These cheaters get the same feeling of accomplishment beating content that they would get if they had done it legit. In other words, it makes no difference to them. There's literally no moral compass present. Unironically, the meteoric rise in cheating aligns pretty well with the rise in mental illness.

As others have said, once that stain is on you as a company, it is near impossible to get off. To get it off might be a taller task than the making of the game itself. You could have made a cozy housing simulator game. But you have made the exact kind of game that people will want to cheat in most. I hope you're ready to deal with it head on.

A couple Intrepid employees have responded to a couple of different threads here on the topic. They said that if you see cheating, provide evidence of it. That's reasonable. But it can't just be on the players. It is extremely hard for players to acquire that kind of evidence. It primarily falls on you Intrepid to police your own game. Medium to long term, we'll know if you are. I can't stress it enough. We'll know. We'll know. There's nothing you can do to change this fact. We'll know.

nanfoodle

Okeydoke wrote: »

I don't know who's cheating or not. And I don't know if Intrepid is sanctioning cheating or picking favorites. But it is making news. The idiots at massivelyop have an article up about it.

But I don't know and I'm not going to make any accusations against any players or Intrepid.

Here's what I do know. And this is only in the context of IF Intrepid is sanctioning or ignoring cheating.

You won't be able to hide it Intrepid. I promise you, you won't be able to. It's a far different environment now than it was 9 years ago when you started making the game. Gamers aren't as clueless anymore. Cheating is out of control across all genres of video games. And people are aware now. It's not a question of if people are cheating, it's just how many and how bad.

There are multiple youtube channels dedicated solely to catching cheaters. And that they do. There is evidence in some games, Escape from Tarkov for instance, that 50-60% of the player base is cheating. Didn't Dr Lupo get busted for cheating in freakin CHESS? lol, I dunno that's what I heard. But the cheating is everywhere. People even cheat in single player games.

And this isn't just kinda run of the mill, "oh let me just cheat a lil bit" kinda cheating. These cheaters get the same feeling of accomplishment beating content that they would get if they had done it legit. In other words, it makes no difference to them. There's literally no moral compass present. Unironically, the meteoric rise in cheating aligns pretty well with the rise in mental illness.

As others have said, once that stain is on you as a company, it is near impossible to get off. To get it off might be a taller task than the making of the game itself. You could have made a cozy housing simulator game. But you have made the exact kind of game that will people want to cheat in most. I hope you're ready to deal with it head on.

A couple Intrepid employees have responded to a couple of different threads here on the topic. They said that if you see cheating, provide evidence of it. That's reasonable. But it can't just be on the players. It is extremely hard for players to acquire that kind of evidence. It primarily falls on you Intrepid to police your own game. Medium to long term, we'll know if you are. I can't stress it enough. We'll know. We'll know. There's nothing you can do to change this fact. We'll know.

Ya i have been doing a deep dive on this. After spending time in Ashes discord and hearing this topic going on non-stop. I have been waiting over 10 years for a game like Ashes to come along. I'm getting old, I cant wait another 10+ years. If IS rep and wrecked this is the real scare. Steven and IS will have a long road to travel to get good with gamers again. I also 100% agree, players should say something when they see it but this is 100% on IS and the really deep data they claim to have better then any other MMO to work. They have their heat maps to zero in on the data.

Okeydoke

As a sidenote...for anyone who is discouraged by the general state of the game, or the potential of exploiting going on, don't take it so serious, and just play anyway. The game is not in a competitive state. No need to take it super serious.

Level up and learn a new class. Learn the crafting system. Learn the map. Chill out and play and learn what you can for the next wipe, the next phase, or release itself. All of this will make you more competitive later.

I'm part of the group of people that get UE crashes anywhere from once every 5 minutes to once an hour. So I can't do much group stuff anyway. So I'm just soloing mostly, learning rogue. Dabbling in crafting. Learning about grind spots I didn't know about. It's all good.

Of course there's exploiting going on. There's been exploiting in every phase of Ashes. You think it just magically stopped now? There's exploiting in released games with hardened code. So it most certainly is happening here in alpha.

Not saying give the exploiters a pass, or give Intrepid a pass if they're not dealing with it properly. More so just make lemonade with lemons. The games only hope is if it can deal with cheaters. This is not the type of game that can survive with mass cheating going on. So my expectation is that it will eventually be fixed in time.

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