Ashes of Creation Is Changing For Steam. Should We Be Worried?

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ashone

I am a kick starter backer, Braver of worlds level. I do NOT desire to lose my perks, specifically with the free lifetime sub. I am confused with how Steam will integrate for me PLEASE give me details. I really want to understand on HOW this will work. TY~

Fantmx

I don't believe we will miss anything. They will put out an FAQ soon to cover the Steam transition

Volgaris

Depends on what you want the game to be.

I was expecting something more open ended. With the introduction of a linear quest reward system I've just lost a lot of interest. If that remains crafting is just an end game activity for gear. That's a complete 180 from what was planned. I was hoping quests would be used for actual story telling, and maybe a reward here or there that's a gear choice, but most rewards should be gold, rep, or materials. Quests as means to gear your character each level is just the wrong tool for the job. But the loot goblins need their dopamine hits.

Reducing the annoyance of fuel and reducing cost for processing/crafting is a good step. But kind of a little meaningless now with more gear drops and gear rewards. Progressing crafting as you level will only slow you down. When you do craft gear will abundant on the market, assuming the economy doesn't see hyper inflation again. With the gear drop increase and gear quest rewards it almost feels like they gave up on the market...

The leveling was already fairly quick, increasing it just means levels 1-10 are pointless, just flash through them in a grind group even faster. 11-25 I'm not sure. If they slow it down and reduce the gear rewards maybe we'll still have something unique. If not it's just another cookie cutter wow clone with raids traded for sieges.

This is definitely done to appease the wow style player base and ease them into the game so they get passed that 2 hr refund mark on steam. It could a strategy to provide these rewards then slowly remove them as they level. Depending on how and at what levels that's done it could be alright for most players.

The early game needed work, solo having the boost of exp is nice. In a grind group though it'll just be really fast, I think players will just by pass the early content before they even get a chance to experience it. The crafting really needed some barriers and clicks removed.

Over all, no I don't like, but it make sense for the wider audience on steam. If I stick around or not to actually play the game will be how they handle 20+ levels. If it remains this linear quest hub reward system I'll lose interest. If those rewards dwindle and I need to buy a crafted piece from a player or market, or make my own I'll likely stay. That's an over simplification, but I'm so sick of quest hubs... Blindly following ! to X to ? blah blah blah.

Ninja Kitty

Volgaris wrote: »

If they slow it down and reduce the gear rewards maybe we'll still have something unique. If not it's just another cookie cutter wow clone with raids traded for sieges.

I don't want them to trade anything, but it would be nice for the players who enjoy repeatable patterns. In what you see as 'cookie cutter' for some is an engaging and challenging group strategy activity with low risk or single serving game time.

But there are also others who want to solo RP quest games. They enjoy story telling and the quests, they don't want a profession, they don't want to grind whatever economic system the game comes up with.

I am a wow style player. I was hoping that I was going to finally have a realistic replacement for wow because Activision-Blizzard destroyed those awesome wow moments I loved in game to putting up with hate speech in guilds to play at a competitive level with end game content. The player base is so toxic. From my perspective nothing Ashes has done so far appeases me, but if they are throwing in dungeons and 'single serving' dungeons or time predicted activities with a little bit of a story line along the way, I would certainly be more interested in playing.

So, I confirm?
Does this mean we are getting dungeons and raids in ashes???

Ninja Kitty

As a second note to that video about corruption: I think I would have loved it a lot more if they kept the corruption mechanic, but adjusted it so that when someone kills a newb literally zoning in for the first time, everyone sees them, they get so much curruption they are now arrested and they cannot play that character for 24 hours. Will make them really think twice about being a griefer... And maybe based on the town you're in that kind of lawlessness is accepted... who knows.

But over all, I support all the other changes being proposed, and I am disappointed there was no news about dungeons or raids.

Volgaris

Ninja Kitty wrote: »

I don't want them to trade anything, but it would be nice for the players who enjoy repeatable patterns. In what you see as 'cookie cutter' for some is an engaging and challenging group strategy activity with low risk or single serving game time.

But there are also others who want to solo RP quest games. They enjoy story telling and the quests, they don't want a profession, they don't want to grind whatever economic system the game comes up with.

I am a wow style player. I was hoping that I was going to finally have a realistic replacement for wow because Activision-Blizzard destroyed those awesome wow moments I loved in game to putting up with hate speech in guilds to play at a competitive level with end game content. The player base is so toxic. From my perspective nothing Ashes has done so far appeases me, but if they are throwing in dungeons and 'single serving' dungeons or time predicted activities with a little bit of a story line along the way, I would certainly be more interested in playing.

So, I confirm?
Does this mean we are getting dungeons and raids in ashes???

There are and will be more dungeons, currently to my knowledge no instance content is in yet. 20% of the content will be instanced. This doesn't mean it's instanced dungeons though.
see more here:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Instancing

I assume instance content matters to you being a wow style player. I love instanced dungeons and raids, wow did great with that. I just hate the leveling process in that game. The quest hubs are about the worst thing ever. Quests should be meaningful and fun, wow just killed questing by using it has a means to level. After making 2 thousands quests it's kind of hard to make them creative or engaging.

So far we don't have quest hubs, which is a good thing, there are quests that reward gear, which basically is just a fuck you to the whole idea of crafting being meaningful. If I can gear myself even 50% of the way from quest rewards through the leveling process, there is absolutely zero reason to touch crafting or gathering until I've reached max level. I can easily survive on drops and rewards.

Increasing drops and giving gear rewards is Ashes giving up on the player economy.

I can't really speak on the griefing or hate speech. I normally tune out global and set any spammers to ignore without reading. If you have someone kill you, there's not much of a chance you'll ever see them again unless you're trying to farm the same spot. And in general if you're not flagged for pvp people won't kill you, the corruption is pretty steep. Although there have been some exploits that work around that. But those should be fixed by launch, if not already.

This game isn't focused around dungeons or raids. I think if you're looking for that you're going to disappointed. The main focus has been pvp content. Whether it's sieges or wars or just ttk adjustments. Although the ptr has been doing tests on some of the 'raid' bosses. Probably better called world bosses. So we'll just have to wait and see.

I'm hoping for some instant dungeons that can load in an apposing party my party can fight, or work with to clean it. The game needs some instant content and some balanced pvp.

Mepps

ashone wrote: »

I am a kick starter backer, Braver of worlds level. I do NOT desire to lose my perks, specifically with the free lifetime sub. I am confused with how Steam will integrate for me PLEASE give me details. I really want to understand on HOW this will work. TY~

We will have more information and details during and after our livestream on December 5. In short, though, nothing will be lost. The difference will just be how you launch the game (in Steam).

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