Do you guys think Ashes will be just another MMORPG or will it be something entirely different?

I believe it will be somewhere between however much I hope it to be something entirely different (mainly because I despise the MMORPG genre as it comprises of one or two unique games that don't 'feel' like a game from 2005). Despite the promising features they've told us, in my opinion, if the core gameplay mechanics is just like any other MMORPG (uninteresting combat, lack of deep exploration, being non-immersive, unexciting story and quests and in general the 'artificial' feel that most MMOs have - in which case you just click stuff to do something rather than putting an effort that emphasize the 'RPG' element), it would still be a decent game and even perhaps the best MMORPG out there but wouldn't be able to impress most of the gamers around the world and would cease to exist when a better MMORPG comes to the market and change the genre for good but this time for real.

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Magic Man

Autumnleaf wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

If they keep what they promised and dont sell out, then I believe that Ashes will beat any MMORPG on the market.

And a few years later my.com will go away. Then everything will be as it should be c:

@Autumnleaf one can hope

Epy00

I think one of the big advantages this game has in development is the fact that Steven Sharif loves MMORPGs. He already knows what he doesn't like and what he does like, so he has a good understanding of what is fun, what is stale, and what would be really neat to bring to the table. I think Jeffrey Bard has his hands full to make Steven's vision a reality, but it seems like they have a good relationship. Steven, if you need content/story writers hit me up!

Varkun

If the AOC team can deliver on Steven's dream or a close approximation of it then yes Ashes of creation will be different in many ways. Do what wow did pick up the good ideas and make them better innovate and create see if MMO's can be made great again.

One thing that everyone needs to remember is that when AOC launches its just the beginning a starting point from which we will hopefully see a fun innovative game grow.

Makinoji

It will be something different to each of us.
Just like every MMO it wont satisfy everyone.
Will it be a WoW, no. Those days of MMOs being a industry changer are over.
I do believe it'll have success and longevity if it delivers on promises.

sunfrog

It will be good but it won't be the game we're expecting. There are too many crybabies for that. Caravans will not be destroyed for their parts. Instead every caravan will reach its destination minus 10% of it's goods if it loses a battle. Freeholds will only burn down visually. After the fire dies down the freehold will still be there fully intact with all it's stuff. Nodes will not be destroyed or even deleveled because that will cause too much frustration and people will quit, and after a certain level weapons won't break any more. If people can't even handle the waiting period how are they going to handle the actual game? They do know the entire game is about rising from the ashes of destruction right? Other than that, everything will be the same and the game will be very good. 9/10 stars.

If you turn it into a steampunk western 8/10 stars as a game and as a Netflix show.

Damokles

sunfrog wrote: »

It will be good but it won't be the game we're expecting. There are too many crybabies for that. After a certain level weapons won't break any more. Caravans will not be destroyed for their parts. Instead every caravan will reach it's destination minus 10% of it's goods if it loses a battle. Freeholds will only burn down visually. After the fire dies down the freehold will still be there fully intact with all it's stuff. Nodes will not be destroyed or even deleveled because that will cause too much frustration and people will quit. If people can't even handle the waiting period how are they going to handle the actual game? They do know the entire game is about rising from the ashes of destruction right? Other than that, everything will be the same and the game will be very good. 9/10 stars.

If you turn it into a steampunk western 8/10 stars as a game and as a Netflix show.

I really hope that IS will stand strong against the crybabies.... I for one like the deleveling of nodes and the destruction of freeholds... If you cant defend it you dont deserve it!

Magic Man

sunfrog wrote: »

It will be good but it won't be the game we're expecting. There are too many crybabies for that. Caravans will not be destroyed for their parts. Instead every caravan will reach its destination minus 10% of it's goods if it loses a battle. Freeholds will only burn down visually. After the fire dies down the freehold will still be there fully intact with all it's stuff. Nodes will not be destroyed or even deleveled because that will cause too much frustration and people will quit, and after a certain level weapons won't break any more. If people can't even handle the waiting period how are they going to handle the actual game? They do know the entire game is about rising from the ashes of destruction right? Other than that, everything will be the same and the game will be very good. 9/10 stars.

If you turn it into a steampunk western 8/10 stars as a game and as a Netflix show.

@sunfrog that's the thing really

let crybabies cry...just make a good game and in time people from all genres enjoy it! Not just desperate and pathetic 'MMORPGers'

Hexcat

I think AOC is no the next step in terms of MMORPG, is the next generation, what I expect of this project is that it put the bar so higth that the other studios need to trudly put an effort to make great videogames and actually IMPROVE, a lot of the industry is feeling very safe doing the same thing again and again and again, as we say here in México, "se pusieron a dormir el sueño de los justos", so they are more quantity than quality, I expect that, when AOC comes out, the playerbase starts to compare ESO, WOW, FFXIV, etc etc with it and the people in charge of thos game can say, "WE NEED TO STEP OUT AND DO IT BETTER" and when they do Intrepid will say, "we will not get down without a fight!!!" and improve, the main reason that MMORPG games has not done major improvements in the past 10 or 12 years is that theres no competition, I reaaly hope AOC will bring this competition and to a whole new level AND that we, the players, get the benefits of all this

Damokles

@Lumbermark
The problem is that the whole genre is asphyxiated by WoW.
Did you notice that after the release of WotLK the whole genre slowly started to die out? It is because everyone, like you said, just started to imitate WoW, and no one could beat WoW, because how can you beat something if you only imitate it?
Even MMORPGs that tried something different died out, because most of the casual playerbase is/was gobbled up by WoW. Now that WoW is slowly dieing, i believe that MMORPGs have an ectual chance again.

Hexcat

I have seen a lots of news about a massive migration of WoW players going to FFXIV and ESO, I really hope WoW don't die, insted they improve themselves and become better, because all the games are at the same risk of "hey we have players now, let's not effort too much" at least those are my expectations @Damokles

Damokles

Lumbermark wrote: »

I have seen a lots of news about a massive migration of WoW players going to FFXIV and ESO, I really hope WoW don't die, insted they improve themselves and become better, because all the games are at the same risk of "hey we have players now, let's not effort too much" at least those are my expectations @Damokles

Yeah but the thing that leads to the mass migration wont stop. WoW is just... Too old? I dont know how to say it... It is always the same, if you know what i mean. you get max level nearly instantly with your first char through the lvl100 boost and do you 10 level, then you start world quests, and qorld quests and world quests, and then dungeons and dungeons followed by dungeons... AND EVERYTHING IS SO EASY! They scaled WoW too easy, because they listened to crybabies who didnt want challenging level experiences, then they listened to crybabies who didnt want to level from 1 to max and demanded a boost, then they listened to people that raids where too hard, so they gave them lfr.
The moment, that Activision bought Blizzard led them to a slow death.
They should go down on their own accord, not silently into the night of regrets. I dont like shitting on WoW (I fukn grew up with that game, i played it since i was 12... But I cant defend it anymore)

Volgaire

Damokles wrote: »

Lumbermark wrote: »

I have seen a lots of news about a massive migration of WoW players going to FFXIV and ESO, I really hope WoW don't die, insted they improve themselves and become better, because all the games are at the same risk of "hey we have players now, let's not effort too much" at least those are my expectations @Damokles

Yeah but the thing that leads to the mass migration wont stop. WoW is just... Too old? I dont know how to say it... It is always the same, if you know what i mean. you get max level nearly instantly with your first char through the lvl100 boost and do you 10 level, then you start world quests, and qorld quests and world quests, and then dungeons and dungeons followed by dungeons... AND EVERYTHING IS SO EASY! They scaled WoW too easy, because they listened to crybabies who didnt want challenging level experiences, then they listened to crybabies who didnt want to level from 1 to max and demanded a boost, then they listened to people that raids where too hard, so they gave them lfr.
The moment, that Activision bought Blizzard led them to a slow death.
They should go down on their own accord, not silently into the night of regrets. I dont like shitting on WoW (I fukn grew up with that game, i played it since i was 12... But I cant defend it anymore)

Yeah I first played wow during Burning Crusade and Warcraft 3 was my first game ever when I was less than 10 but when tried wow during Legion I just couldn't get into it, the game is really stale right now and way too easy. All you do to level up is get level 20 (I think) and jump into Group finder, then steam roll through dungeons because all your teammates will be people who have done them multiple times and will not give a fuck just run through the whole thing.

Damokles

@Autumnleaf
It feels as if they have WoW on lifesupport... They just want to make as much money as possible.

Nagash

Damokles wrote: »

@Autumnleaf
It feels as if they have WoW on lifesupport... They just want to make as much money as possible.

welcome to the world we live in that will be £5

Volgaire

Damokles wrote: »

@Autumnleaf
It feels as if they have WoW on lifesupport... They just want to make as much money as possible.

Very accurate. I wish someone made a darksouls mmo xD

Dygz

If the devs can fulfill the game design concepts, Ashes will be significantly different: MMORPG 2.0.

Wandering Mist

Damokles wrote: »

Lumbermark wrote: »

I have seen a lots of news about a massive migration of WoW players going to FFXIV and ESO, I really hope WoW don't die, insted they improve themselves and become better, because all the games are at the same risk of "hey we have players now, let's not effort too much" at least those are my expectations @Damokles

Yeah but the thing that leads to the mass migration wont stop. WoW is just... Too old? I dont know how to say it... It is always the same, if you know what i mean. you get max level nearly instantly with your first char through the lvl100 boost and do you 10 level, then you start world quests, and qorld quests and world quests, and then dungeons and dungeons followed by dungeons... AND EVERYTHING IS SO EASY! They scaled WoW too easy, because they listened to crybabies who didnt want challenging level experiences, then they listened to crybabies who didnt want to level from 1 to max and demanded a boost, then they listened to people that raids where too hard, so they gave them lfr.
The moment, that Activision bought Blizzard led them to a slow death.
They should go down on their own accord, not silently into the night of regrets. I dont like shitting on WoW (I fukn grew up with that game, i played it since i was 12... But I cant defend it anymore)

I wouldn't say the players wanted the max level boosts because leveling is hard, but rather because leveling in WoW is so boring, takes far too long and doesn't make any sense from a lore, character progression or player teaching standpoint.

As for why so many people are leaving WoW for other mmorpgs, I can only speak for myself here. I left because I hated the decisions Blizzard made when it comes to end game gear progression. You are right that Blizzard are making the game easier but the reason why players aren't able to complete the content is because of how Blizzard distributes gear.

Blizzard is as much to blame for the players incompetence as the players themselves.

Magic Man

@Dygz I thought exactly the same; 'MMORPG 2.0' It will still be an MMO but with revolutionary features. I as most people will still wait till alpha 1 to have some idea of how the game will be like when it's launched/ So far what we've been told is really promising

OrcLuck

The honest answer is "I" don't know.

I see a lot of promising concepts, and personal investment to make it work....but I've seen promising projects fail.

MMOs are one of the hardest games to get right, and MMO players are some of the hardest to please.

Given the extreme development costs, and the risks involved, anyone's motivation for making a good game is highly influenced by some very cruel pressures and I don't know if anyone or any system, or any team gets out of it unscathed.

I'm rooting for the team, and I wanted the project to happen. I've done as much as I can on my part to lessen the burden on the team financially to help alleviate the problems that publishing and those things can add that makes games get released before they're done, and die an early death.

I'm hoping we see a hard earned success.

Damokles

@wanderingmist
What do you mean with end-game gear progression? Do you mean the fact, that Activision-Blizzard throws Epic gear around as if it was candy, or that Dungeons can give better gear then raids? xD

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