Of the 3 Crafting Professions

There are 3 separate crafts: Gatherer, Processor, and Artisan. Of the three, only the Artisan gets to have their name attached to the end product, but without the other two crafting professions that would not have been possible. How do you give credit to Gatherers and Processors?

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Azryil

I'm not sure it's realistic or necessary for the gathers and processors to get any credit for the crafted item. One crafted sword could have many gathers and processors. Why give credit to 15 miners that each provided 3 ore.

Varkun

As it stands now there is to be no glory for the humble gatherer and processing professions though we honestly have no idea if this is so. Processed resources could have some sort of makers mark applied to them perhaps, unprocessed perhaps they could be marked in consignments with a gatherers mark.

AurumVitae

If I were a gatherer, I would expect that my final product is a material used in other things. Unless it were something being used directly, like a herb that heals.

Having your name as crafter is only important in high-end products, anyway. Gatherers/processors generally mass-produce low-end products.

Damokles

elf wrote: »

How do you give credit to Gatherers and Processors?

I give them some good hard coin, that should be enough no?

Jahlon

Damokles wrote: »

elf wrote: »

How do you give credit to Gatherers and Processors?

I give them some good hard coin, that should be enough no?

As a gatherer I accept that my credit is the sack of gold coins I got for my work.

Lyiat

How often would a miner put a stamp on the ore he mined? Or a smelter stamp the iron he melted to bars for the forge?

Pretty much almost never. It doesn't make much sense to have raw resources with maker's stamps. It's not like the final product will feature those stamps. And I agree with what @arzosah said, I don't want my item's descriptions cluttered up with the 50 different player names that all contributed one piece to my staff. You don't go into gathering or processing for 'glory'. You get into it for coin.

Amist

Isn't it gathering, processing and crafting with artisan being the overall name for professions?

Jahlon

branegames wrote: »

Isn't it gathering, processing and crafting with artisan being the overall name for professions?

True. It is the Artisan System
Gathering, Processing, Crafting

Lyiat

branegames wrote: »

Isn't it gathering, processing and crafting with artisan being the overall name for professions?

The verbage hasn't been set in stone yet. Right now what we're hearing is that there are different 'artisan classes' in the game that fall under three groups, gathering, crafting, and processing.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Artisan_classes

sunfrog

Wood chopped by Sunfrog? Sawyered by Sunfrog. Table by elf.

Lyiat

sunfrog wrote: »

Wood chopped by Sunfrog? Sawyered by Sunfrog. Table by elf.

Except that table needed fifteen wood panks, which needed 3 logs each.

That's a possibility of forty five people who 'contributed' to the table, along with the 15 who made the planks from the logs. And that's just the wood! What about the iron bars that took 5 iron ore to make the nails? Or the guys who picked the seeds for the guys who made the oil for the guy who made the varnish?

It gets very silly very quickly.

T Elf

Actually, I didn't in any way think the final product would have all the contributor's names.
And I guess the reward has to be just the coin you receive for your hard work, while the maker of the final product gets the glory. If I was in another game, I would be doing most all the work, so getting my name on the product was automatic. I suppose selling my raws or my processed materials at a stall will be the closest to being able to have name recognition.

Damokles

I am only interested, in the ability to name our creations.
I really want to creat a jewel trinket and then name it: "Nagash's Phylactery" or "Nagash's Folly" and make them give Strength and Agility.

Lyiat

Damokles wrote: »

I am only interested, in the ability to name our creations.
I really want to creat a jewel trinket and then name it: "Nagash's Phylactery" or "Nagash's Folly" and make them give Strength and Agility.

That's cruel and hurtful.

However I imagine naming items isn't going to be a thing. It's a recipe based crafting system, not a formula based one that makes random custom items.

Azryil

If players were allowed to name their own creations there would have to be heavy word filters to prevent players from naming everything a string of expletives.

caedwyn

arzosah wrote: »

I'm not sure it's realistic or necessary for the gathers and processors to get any credit for the crafted item. One crafted sword could have many gathers and processors. Why give credit to 15 miners that each provided 3 ore.

that is true.
but at the same time what of the more rare and exotic materials ?
i believe there are grades for the materials?

caedwyn

@arzosah @Damokles it is a wonderful idea, except if people were to name whatever they wanted it would be just .... HOWEVER if they made the crafter to choose between 3 game-generated name parts then that would be very nice right ?
eg: eye of the storm
shadowy death claw

Azryil

I still think it would be unnecessary clutter on the description of the item. Gatherers are disconnected from the crafting process, someone buys their goods either directly or from a stall/AH, they get paid and their job is done. Processors are a little more involved but the only way I could see them deserving a note on the item would be if there was some system of custom processing to include specific traits to the processed goods(bonus durability, more damage, etc) but even then I think that would only matter if there was some way of restricting how many people could perform that action, like a patent system within a node. The crafter could say I got my materials for Processor X so they're stronger and wont need repaired as often.

Viymjr

I very much hope we have a hall of fame. So first person to find/gather something gets recorded. First person to process and create a new material gets recorded. The first person to craft an item gets recorded. Further to that a hall of fame record for the size of the find/gather, quality of the processed material, or level rarity of the item crafted.

All of these records in the hall of fame initiated with a global announcement.

Ferryman

neomir wrote: »

I very much hope we have a hall of fame. So first person to find/gather something gets recorded. First person to process and create a new material gets recorded. The first person to craft an item gets recorded. Further to that a hall of fame record for the size of the find/gather, quality of the processed material, or level rarity of the item crafted. All of these records in the hall of fame initiated with a global announcement.

There could be a server top list.

elf wrote: »

How do you give credit to Gatherers and Processors?

I am not sure if they need the same credit as crafters. It is also kind of hard to implement anything reasonable if we are thinking naming the products.

However,

Toplist could be one option like I mentioned before.
What about special titles? Master Smelter for example. That would be actually quite cool.
Maybe your progression could show somehow in your equipment, buildings and shops.

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