Bad mayors

More of a Question but lets say you have a mayor that stopped playing. Or starts playing at odd hours or is a traitor that has other nodes interest in mind. Or a mayor that can be bribed for x amount of gold. I am just saying met a lot of strange people on line. You guys know what I am talking about. Really what type of measures does Ashes of Creation have in place for this. I mean in theary it sound great. But maybe when you add the human element then well there might be candidates paying people gold for their vote.

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StreetCornerPoet

Also remember people can change their citizenship. So if you are a really crappy mayor and still have a support structure to keep you there, if everyone else leaves for your competition you will be getting almost no taxes and you will be supplying reinforcements for cities around you to take you down.

If your node is just a small town no one might care and you might stay in power, if its a city or metropolis and your abusing your citizenship your city will become a ghost town and a target.

T Elf

If the leader of a military node is a tyrant and bad for the population, but stays in power, the solution is for the population to move; no taxes, no businesses, no crafters, with just a few supporters left and the node will de-level.

grisu

Tl.dr.: Long winded point. Badly run nodes inevitably crumble naturally.

Well lets assume for a moment that one guy does everything from above. He somehow monopolizes the major position and does nothing to advance it or does a pisspoor job.
It is still at least a city level node so it will stand in the way of another node at some point (or not but thats further down) since its a weak node with no extra defenses it should fall to a siege. Problem solved.
Somehow there are a shitton of people that love this specific node for whatever reason and withstand the siege of an equal node.
There should be a conflict of interest with the metropolis node that needs a well run node so that metropolis node mobilzes against it too. -problem solved.
Lets say there is no conflic on a node level, but that node for whatever reason is really relevant and there is no possible node location nearby to replace the tyranny node. ( this is really far fetched. There should always be several zones adjucant that can replace any given node aka. Problem solved. For the sake of worst possible scenario ill continue)
So you cant replace it with an equally well placed new city and the next zone is really inconviniently placed.(which is still only one zone at worst mind you)
Now it becomes a mentality and balancing act.
What weights more, a node that gives none to only bare minimun services from being run badly, but has extremely (one zone maximum otherwise another zone and node possibility would be even better) short travel times to whatever makes this node so valuable. Or a new node with good services but worse travel times.
The only flaw in all this is we do not know the actuall zone borders so it might take some time to find the new zones to establish camps, but the way it all is set up there should always be camps surrounding cities through natural quest and task generation. They send you out far enough into the wild.

Atama

caedwyn wrote: »

atama wrote: »

caedwyn wrote: »

elf wrote: »

I think this came up in a Live Stream, and Steven pretty much said you'd have to wait til the next selection round which is scheduled to be monthly at this point in time.

yes thats what has been said about the subject and it was mentioned "you have to be a good mayor and do your job if you want to be mayor again and get elected"
im not negative but ive seen enough to know it WILL happen...
but more importantly, im upset about the military node mayor.
it says the "last player standing in arena like event becomes mayor"
you know what this concept seems to me ?
like having 'tormund giantsbane' from the game of thrones to sit on the iron throne.
a tough fighter does not make a good leader by default!

So then the wise and popular leader of a military node gets a dozen of his stoutest followers to join him. They keep him healed and protected while systematically slaughtering all those who seek the position. Once the field is empty of everyone but the leader and his gang, they surrender or commit suicide or kill each other or whatever is needed to eliminate them from the competition. That ensures that their leader takes charge.

This method means that the mayor is not necessarily the best warrior, but rather the person who can gather and coordinate the most powerful and loyal comrades. Which is perfect for that kind of node.

And if his followers turn on him instead, well, that’s just awesome. And not unexpected in a military dictatorship.

but then only the person with connections will become mayor, so a certain guild can control that node
we had that happening in another game where a hero was elected and stood there for 2 whole years.
it breaks and poisons the small community from within I think.

but that's just my feeling.

That’s how politics function in real life and it seems to work okay. I think your concerns are misplaced.

Viymjr

I dont think they need to put anything in place, either people will either will leave the node for another or the node will decay and be attacked and destroyed. All of this an intentional life cycle of the nodes.

consultant

Well think I would assinated my mayor just for fun especially if for some reason we did not agree on some issues. Which you will always find some that disagrees with him so..........

pickadaisy

Oddly enough this thread just gave me so much life. I'm excited for the messy drama that could potentially take place in this game.

consultant

So I guess if there is a BAD mayor then it is working as intended cause now we have to deal with the fun job of ousting him out office. Did not see that comming. Thank you for all your posts

consultant

So guessing by the comments of the last live stream everytime a mayor getselected a node will get destroyed. Really interested how this is going to play out. I mean who is not going to want to destroy their own node after losing an election.

Really could use in game gold to pay people to destroy their own node just to have another chance to fly on the dragon mount.

I mean who would not wnat to fight for the dragon mount
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pickadaisy wrote: »

Oddly enough this thread just gave me so much life. I'm excited for the messy drama that could potentially take place in this game.

I hear you.

Damokles

pickadaisy wrote: »

Oddly enough this thread just gave me so much life. I'm excited for the messy drama that could potentially take place in this game.

"Messy drama" also known as "assassination attempts all over the city"

Dygz

consultant wrote: »

So guessing by the comments of the last live stream every time a mayor get selected a node will get destroyed. Really interested how this is going to play out. I mean who is not going to want to destroy their own node after losing an election.

That's not what was said.
Steven said that currently the only way to remove a sitting mayor before their month is over is to destroy the Node.

Karthos

Could you imagine?

"Welp, our mayor hasn't logged in for 12 months. Better vote him back in so my node stuff does get destroyed."

consultant

What was actually said was only way to remove a mayor was to destroy a node by Jeff Bard. So as soon as mayor gets elected the loser of the election will most likely try to destroy the node just to get another chance to ride mount. And Krohn was the one that said mayors get elected every 30 days.

Really does not matter if it s a good mayor or bad mayor toons want to find a way to ride a dragon mount so I am guessing by the aforementioin comments every time a mayor gets elected the node will get destroyed.

Is there something a player will not do to get a dragon mount. If it means rallying the troops and destroying the node so be it.

So who would not want to do that. Some might have it all orchestrated in case they lose the election in the first place.

So im just guessing from the comments that were made everytime a mayor gets elected its goodbye node. Actuaully really funny. I will just keep destroying my node until I get elected. Why Not?

Guess I should of clarified.

Karthos

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mcstackerson

consultant wrote: »

What was actually said was only way to remove a mayor was to destroy a node by Jeff Bard. So as soon as mayor gets elected the loser of the election will most likely try to destroy the node just to get another chance to ride mount. And Krohn was the one that said mayors get elected every 30 days.

Really does not matter if it s a good mayor or bad mayor toons want to find a way to ride a dragon mount so I am guessing by the aforementioin comments every time a mayor gets elected the node will get destroyed.

Is there something a player will not do to get a dragon mount. If it means rallying the troops and destroying the node so be it.

So who would not want to do that. Some might have it all orchestrated in case they lose the election in the first place.

So im just guessing from the comments that were made everytime a mayor gets elected its goodbye node. Actuaully really funny. I will just keep destroying my node until I get elected. Why Not?

Guess I should of clarified.

You realize that a mayor is only in control for a month right?

Trying to destroy the node instead of waiting for the next election would take longer and be very expensive (sieges aren't free). You would lose access to all the benefits that node had until you built it back up, which would take months. Only reason I could see you sieging a node to get mayor is if you planned to join a near by level 5 node, level it up to 6, and become it's mayor, in which you case, you are still stuck waiting until the next election cycle.

There will probably be times people try to siege nodes because they don't get mayor but it's probably not going to because they want a dragon mount.

consultant

Well thanks for the info mcstackerson.

Dygz

consultant wrote: »

Really does not matter if it's a good mayor or bad mayor toons want to find a way to ride a dragon mount so I am guessing by the aforementioned comments every time a mayor gets elected the node will get destroyed.

So I'm just guessing from the comments that were made every time a mayor gets elected its goodbye node. Actually really funny. I will just keep destroying my node until I get elected. Why Not?

Um. Only in Scientific Nodes do people elect a mayor.
The other Node types have different methods for determining who is mayor.

Karthos

dygz wrote: »

consultant wrote: »

Really does not matter if it's a good mayor or bad mayor toons want to find a way to ride a dragon mount so I am guessing by the aforementioned comments every time a mayor gets elected the node will get destroyed.

So I'm just guessing from the comments that were made every time a mayor gets elected its goodbye node. Actually really funny. I will just keep destroying my node until I get elected. Why Not?

Um. Only in Scientific Nodes do people elect a mayor.
The other Node types have different methods for determining who is mayor.

This is important information this thread needed.

consultant

Was thinking about people that are bad majors looks like Scientific node is only one that has elections so a bad major could be removed or good major relected. But as far as i can tell that postion in Gladatoirial Nodes will be duels and in and Economic Node looks like person with most gold. Remeber something about being able to bid on it. And Divine node has to do with who has the most diven oriented tasks.

So Scientific node really only node that has real incentive to do a good job or be removed. As far econimic nodes will not be unusual for person with most gold last month (person with lots of time to play and grind gold) would be the same person or only a few peoplw will even be able to contend for that position.

Same thing for Divine Node person that has more time to play most likely have better chance to be mayor
And as far as the PvP node well PvP skill spikes really sharply. For example lets say im the best dueler on the server then very few players would in fact have the skill to challenge me so people that could contend for that position would come from a very small pool of people. Same thing for Divine Nodes and Economic node only people that can contend is people that play a the most and not based on how well they do their jobs.

maouw

I think economic node should be fine too:

An oligarchy will form.
If there's a bad mayor, they'll just pool their money and outbid the mayor
If enough people don't like the oligarchy, you can raze the node.

I also like the idea that a tyrant can run a military node - it's fitting in a way that lets them truly earn their place.

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