What features you dislike in MMOs and hope Ashes won't have?

As each MMORPGs have some good features (GW2 mounts, crafting system of SWG, housing of Wildstar *RIP* etc), they have some bad ones as well. They tend to have very similar features to WoW and other traditional MMORPGs which most people dislike and think they're outdated. There are two features I see in MMOs and despise. One of them is the 'artificial' feel most of MMOs in which case you just click stuff to do things with the mouse pointer (kills the immersion and looks ugly tbh). The other is boring and non skill based combat (both action: spamming abilities in order and tab: pressing buttons at the right time...) So, what features you don't want to see in Ashes of Creation?

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akabear

I definitely do not want to be leaving the pc running 24/7 to run an afk shop in Lineage 2 style.

Joseline

wanderingmist wrote: »

@Joseline Just returning to this point, while looking on the wiki I found the following article for systems that are designed to combat power creep:

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Item_sinks

Dunno how effective it will be, if they do actually implement it though.

Being honest here, I dont exactly understand how they combat power creep
When I read through the page I see a lot of "you have to invest in your weapons to keep it strong" but doesnt that just slow down the process? In the end players will have said EQ and new items will find their way into the game anyway
Is it about never allowing players to achieve acual "highest end" as they keep releasing new stuff before one gets to "highest end"? but wouldnt that be kind of frustrating too¿ Altough its an MMO there should be a point where you can say "I finished my EQ"

Plateau

@wanderingmist FFXIV didn't require you to do all the dailies every day. The weekly cap on tomestones keeps that from being an issue. You can cap out by just doing like 2 roulettes (30-60 minutes total) a day, or just playing a bunch on the weekend. Of course you can still do the other roulettes for money, but I'm pretty sure you don't need much money to be competitive, unless you're tryna have multiple classes with raid-ready gear or something.

If anything I think FFXIV proves my point about how to do dailies correctly. They have weekly caps that prevent hard-core players from blasting through new content. And they have varied daily systems (including the weekly challenge log) that give the players options about what they want to do, without requiring you to do all of them if you didn't want to.

FFXIV lets you grind if you want, but it doesn't require you to. And it doesn't let you get way ahead if you do grind.

UsernameIs

Power creep

grisu

@Joseline I don't know how the posted article provides anything regarding power creep. They haven't definitively said it, but the way Ashes is presented in their long term goals (progressive content updates) power creep shouldn't ever(in the forseeable future of a few years) happen here in the first place.
There (as I understand and guess from the information we have) won't be a level increase in the future. Content updates could provide new ressources to provide new stat combinations/stat weights for crafting,, without overwhelming the old items and that's basically it all you need to prevent power creep drivers.

Now that I wrote it I get the item sink link. You have to continually use materials to maintain your gear, but a long time ago it was said that those repairs will become more and more inefficent. I believe this wasn't rewoked. So at some point you will replace every piece of gear you have, even if it's with the same item, just freshly crafted. So you will never sit on the exact gear item forever. It doesn't prevent power creep, but the recycling will give you "new" gear with benefits (less repair costs) again, making it fresh and helpful without power creeping.

zerkerz

Forced pets.
That you do better in combat with a pet, and cant choose to be stronger without pet. So if you don't like pets you are strongly disadvantaged. Or have a pet anyway and be annoyed.

Guns dont, fit in any medieval game. Cannon however can possible fit for sieges.
If I want to play with games i just play modern FPS instead.

Stress related quests,
have to do 1 quest each day for bigger reward at the end of the week, let people just do quest they haven't done or just appeared. The good if you dont have this people will associate the game with stress reliving fun instead of work, and be more enjoyable and can capture players for longer, and be more of a positive addiction. Instead of a negative one, which is detrimental to all parts of society.

Not something is annoyed but something is needed though I have no idea how to implement this, that players have to chat with each other, so the game doesn't seem dead. More fun when it is interactive, remember when I played my first MMO everyone was so talkative. Instead of dead silent.

A cosmetic skin, that makes it look better than it is, or worse for that matter.

Breaking the 4th wall.

If PvP is gonna be in a lot of areas around the world it is very annoying when you lose much of your items, or valuable items, + the travel time you got to do to get back to your location. So there need to be a balance. Or a proper balance.

Ravudha

wow, popular thread - time to add some more...

1) Dailies - If there a ton of them and they are required for mainstream rewards. If they are extremely limited, do not coerce or artificially force daily logins, provide horizontal rewards, and are dynamic or varied (not the same each day) then it might be ok.

2) Holidays events - don't bring Christmas, Easter, and Halloween into a fantasy world. It's tacky.

Plateau

@ravudha I get your point, but Halloween is objectively the most fun holiday, so I'm always down for a faux-Halloween event.

Noaani

ravudha wrote: »

2) Holidays events - don't bring Christmas, Easter, and Halloween into a fantasy world. It's tacky.

I agree with this, though I do see one exception.

To me, if the developers have an in game lore reason for a holiday to exist, AND the games calendar aligns with our calendar, then events like this would be fine.

If an event is supposed to be yearly, then why have 5 in game years past since it was last celebrated? If an event is supposed to take place during a given season, why is it taking place in the 3rd month this time, while last time it was the 8th month?

Ravudha

I think it can be done tastefully if it's integrated with the lore properly; you might see subtle changes around town etc. But if there's quests involving candy I'm outta there.

BlackBrony

Daily quests. I just don't enjoy them. We should play because we want to, not because the game forces us.
If I have 1 hour to play, I want to try a small dungeon, or gather some materials.
Otherwise if you have 1 hour of gameplay you just do what the game tells you to do, if you have 2, you still have to waste 1 hour doing a daily quest.

Dungeon finder > I don't enjoy it. It IS practical, but it does kill interaction. Yes, sometimes you just want to log in and do dungeons, but I hope they don't have it.

Higher levels > I don't enjoy content becoming irrelevant. Please add new content without increasing level. What is the reason to increase level? It brings nothing to the able. You can easily add new abilities without level. Or classes.

Anything that is time gated > I usually don't enjoy this. I remember GW2 having events that would last 1 week and you had to do all the achievements (if you wanted) or lose them forever. So for about a week, your GW2 experience would resume to a vicious circle of doing the same thing over and over until you got what you wanted, but without having a choice to stop doing it for a couple of days.

Iggwilv

wanderingmist wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

I just hope, that they wont make it too easy...
That was the reason for WoW demise.

Making the game easier is fine. WoW's problem was they made things really easy in wrath and then immediately made things a lot harder in Cata. Anyone who hadn't played during TBC wasn't prepared (pun intended) for the sudden increase in difficulty.

I would like it to be easy enough to be accessible to a large, diverse player base. But I definitely personally feel more accomplished when things actually take a little effort.

Soluna

I really hope Ashes will somehow prevent players from skipping whole parts of a dungeon.. I´m not sure if that´s possible at all but what I´ve experienced in many mmorpgs I´ve played was that players always go the easy way when doing dungeons. In Guild Wars 2 for example every Arah run (lvl 80 dungeon) was: Someone just pulls all of the mobs, runs through half of the dungeon, dies somewhere to reset all the mobs and the rest of the group just follows.. That´s rlly not what I´d like to see anymore in any upcoming mmorpg.. I rlly like it when all kind of content is challenging but also rewarding!

LethalProdigy

P2W is all i don't want anything else i can put up with.

Vun

Flying
Easily Accessible Fast Travel
Enchanting Systems
Super Vertical Progression
A meaningless Open World because everyone is stuck in instances
Horrible Class Balance
Terrible Combat/Floaty Combat (Make it more like TERA, not GW2 - More like BDO not ESO)
Non Existent PvP Content (Give me red towns and things to do as a red player)
Instant Matchmaking
Cross Server

StreetCornerPoet

I just hope they don't start making content easier like ESO did with Craglorn or like WoW has done with raiding in general.

I agree that I don't want NPC dailies because we should be getting plenty of static quests from players and cities for materials to help with expanding or to help with supplies. Since we'll have "busy quests" that we can engage in from everything to help the local inn stock food to helping cities gather materials for building and upgrading I don't see NPC dailies as really having a place.

Lack of solo or small group content later in game. There should always be something to do if you can't get a full group or raid together even at high levels.

Empty cities. I know they are already planning that nodes degrade if people don't keep them up, but I hope it is fast enough that a city doesn't just hang around as a ghost town too long.

akabear

Do not want to see a highly limited/restricted inventory vs a subscribed inventory size

Bots

Need to have a second account to play

bloodprophet

Homogenization.
All the classes need to be different. In the glory days of MMO's and RPG's all the classes were different and had different rolls. Now they are all the same.

Scaling.
I didn't invest countless hours leveling and working to become a badass just to have level 1 rat in the starter zone give me a challenge.(One of the many reasons I uninstalled GW2 after a week)

Easy mode dungeons.
Time was you had to pick your path carefully. Now round everything up AOE it down and Snoopy happy dance cause everyone got a trophy epic.

Everything being tied down.
I personally would like to see a random 30% of mobs not be tied to one point. If you run past stuff and pull it some of them should follow you till someone dies. (Pick one you or them) Everything resetting takes danger out of the world. We all do it now in current games because we know there is no consequence for running through the woods.

Godbrithil

I absolutely don't like it when mmorpg's timers are built in to limit dungeon access. In addition, I find the casualization, i.e. the simplifications with the coming time always incredibly terrible... As soon as a few players complain when it gets too hard, the big garden shears come and make everything suitable for kindergarten.

OrcLuck

I hope faction grinding isn't done through boring quest grinds. I want either a dungeon or a series of dungeons to defeat to get a reward, or a series of conveys guarded.

I want either pvp or pve, to progress me, and I want it to be a fun activity you'd WANT to do anyway.

You should want to join a faction because its too fun not to.

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