about those 'oversized swords'

Intrepid isn't a fan of such oversized swords, i still it is a missed opportunity.
An oversized sword can be nice and fun to work with.

it's big and heavy. So attacking would be very slow and powerfull. abilities might need longer time to cast and special abilities and effects can be made for those items.

"strong and big" doesn't mean heavy. With today's tech, specicial and rare metals are used to create ultra light but ultra strong materials. That's a candidate for a legendary sword. Think about aluminium, titanium, niobium and many more light but strong metals.

Maybe to yield such a weapon you need certain level or stats. I do see them having a place in MMO's.

Just my taughts. What do you think?

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Atama

wanderingmist wrote: »

Maybe it's just because I've studied the physics behind huge weapons but there is no amount of "it's magic" that can convince me that a person can wield a huge weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QSu1EolCI

As an example.

If magic is able to give the weapon some kind of antigravity capability, or give assistance in carrying it like telekinesis, then that necessarily changes the physics of the situation.

But that’s a lot of explanation needed to explain something that in the end just looks stupid anyway. This isn’t an Asian MMO, don’t copy Asian MMOs.

I assume we won’t have tiny girls in skimpy maid outfits with cat ears carrying giant weapons either.

georgeblack

It wouldnt be the end of the world if there was one skin in the game for a big 2h sword.
Why rage?

Amist

For me, so long as it makes sense I don't mind. If there are any particular races that from a lore perspective are able to wield big greatswords, then I see no issue with it. However, I would want those weapons scaled down if used by other races.

So long as they are not ridiculously big and somewhat of a category for themselves (i.e rare) then it's fine, I just personally don't want to see the game turning into an Asian MMO shitfest with a tonne of unrealistic armor sets and weapons (within reason of course cause we are talking about a fantasy MMO)

mcstackerson

I don't think you need anti-grav or any fancy spells, you just need the materials, materials we don't have available in our world. If a weapon's usability comes down to its weight and balance then all you need is a material that is strong and light, similar to how mithril is described in Lotr. If you had the materials you needed to make a large but light blade with a heavier hilt and counterweight then in a fantasy setting, most of these weapons should be feasible to some degree.

If this weapon was used, then I'd think you could make a sword with the same blade but broader using a lighter material and you would end up with a similar weapon. It should feel the same to swing because the weight and balance are the same.

Damokles

@mcstackerson
Do you know why no one in LotR made a giant weapon out of mithril? Not because it is too rare (yes it is rare but not that rare actually xD), no the reason was that a large weapon with light weight is useless. Yes you have reach, but the actual strongpoint of a zweihänder for example was that it could overpower and simply break other weapons (pikes) through its own weight.

grisu

What physical law goes into effect when a...let's guess.. 5 ton dragon hit's you with his paw and prevents you from being instantly smushed in your armor and or thrown across the land ?
I will never understand such reasons. Oversized swords won't be in the game for given reasons, I respect that. Do we really have to pul out long shot reasons for it?

mcstackerson

@damokles
My argument is the weight would be the same, you would just have a fatter blade. You would have the same force as the weight and length of the blade would be the same.
I was using mithril as an example of a material that is not found in our world, one that is stronger than the metals we use but lighter. I also disagree, I'm pretty sure the reason we didn't see large weapons in Lotr is either an aesthetic choice or just tolken didn't think of it.

unknownsystemerror

If the shitstorm that was the concept art for Stuffertons was any indication, they are not going to make anything that is too out there. We have earlier quotes of "no over-sized weapons" and the "realistic feeling." With all the other times the company has stepped on its own dick through unforced errors, why would they give fodder to the bleating masses.

mcstackerson

Yes, we know their chosen aesthetic but if you are going to make an argument I disagree with, why wouldn't I try to present my counter-argument. I'm not trying to change ashes, just saying I disagree with your argument.

Jokuc

I like oversized swords, the argument that they ruin immersion seems like bullshit to me as a regular swordsman can use super strength, fire attacks and all that magic shit anyway so why wouldn't he be able to swing a huge sword? But whatever, it's not like Steven is going to change his opinion anyway.

Atama

jokuc wrote: »

I like oversized swords, the argument that they ruin immersion seems like bullshit to me as a regular swordsman can use super strength, fire attacks and all that magic shit anyway so why wouldn't he be able to swing a huge sword? But whatever, it's not like Steven is going to change his opinion anyway.

The argument isn’t that they ruin immersion, it’s that they look idiotic and turn the game into a ridiculous cartoon.

mcstackerson

atama wrote: »

jokuc wrote: »

I like oversized swords, the argument that they ruin immersion seems like bullshit to me as a regular swordsman can use super strength, fire attacks and all that magic shit anyway so why wouldn't he be able to swing a huge sword? But whatever, it's not like Steven is going to change his opinion anyway.

The argument isn’t that they ruin immersion, it’s that they look idiotic and turn the game into a ridiculous cartoon.

...doesn't that ruin your immersion else what's the issue with giving players the option to have larger weapons if you also have the option to have smaller ones? Why can't others look cartoony if you don't have to?

Atama

mcstackerson wrote: »

atama wrote: »

jokuc wrote: »

I like oversized swords, the argument that they ruin immersion seems like bullshit to me as a regular swordsman can use super strength, fire attacks and all that magic shit anyway so why wouldn't he be able to swing a huge sword? But whatever, it's not like Steven is going to change his opinion anyway.

The argument isn’t that they ruin immersion, it’s that they look idiotic and turn the game into a ridiculous cartoon.

...doesn't that ruin your immersion else what's the issue with giving players the option to have larger weapons if you also have the option to have smaller ones? Why can't others look cartoony if you don't have to?

Because I still have to look at them.

I’m coming from games like TERA where others’ freedom to look how they want totally ruin the game for me. It doesn’t have to be “immersion” (I think that term is used too often and incorrectly). It’s an awful aesthetic style. My immersion doesn’t have to be ruined for me to be annoyed by a guy riding around on a cartoon duck which is wearing an Afro and Beats headphones. And the guy himself is wearing Speedos, sunglasses, and has a giant panda-shaped ice cream bar on his back.

And that isn’t a silly made-up example, those are real options in that game. Here's a typical TERA character from an in-game screenshot.

And here’s that mount I mentioned.

Again, I don’t need to make an argument about immersion to hate that crap and not want to see it.

CrazySquiggle

Just wanna throw this in here

TERA . . . nuff said

Plateau

whitedude31 wrote: »

Just wanna throw this in here

TERA . . . nuff said

I actually enjoyed TERA. Big Glaive Lady (Valkyrie) was a lot of fun. But uh... yeah... That shit's ridiculous. She had like 3 ultimate abilities.

CrazySquiggle

leonerdo wrote: »

whitedude31 wrote: »

Just wanna throw this in here

TERA . . . nuff said

I actually enjoyed TERA. Big Glaive Lady (Valkyrie) was a lot of fun. But uh... yeah... That shit's ridiculous. She had like 3 ultimate abilities.

Tera is still my favorite mmorpg. The elves . . .

consultant

Well a lot of items in game will be slightly oversized just so you can see the detail. But this is not oversized like one size up. This is more like four times the normal size. So big all you see is the weapon not so much the toon. Basically sword is made for giants and big giants at that. I could see an average sized dragon weild the sword provided by unknown system error.

Best recommentdation to you is play a big race cause weapons usually scale to size of race and maybe have the camera a little closer if you can help it so weapon looks bigger.

jinxthegamer

Intrepid is not a fan of oversized swords but they are fans of oversized sword guards ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Xspearo

Gotta have "Guts" to wield such a weapon!!
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Sorry for all the edits, my phone sucks!!

Sarevok

I think a few over-sized swords but with lore backing them (giant's weapon for example) wouldn't destroy the immersion of players. If players wanted the skin just to reskin their current sword because that's what they are into why stop them? Appealing to all types of gamers, even in small ways, is what will make this game successful. Of course the over-sized sword skin would still need to be somewhat realistic to align with Steven's vision.

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