Motivate Me - Taverns

Awesome, we're getting Taverns! Great... so uh... what's the motive?

Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Taverns having the opportunity to settle down somewhere in the world of Verra and I also get the RP influence that comes along with it, but, I am struggling to find the motive to want to keep coming back to "The whatever Inn" other than that reason. What I see happening is that players will completely overrun the Tavern after it's doors open (for the first time) for a couple of days, to then eventually it becoming dead silent in there. I personally believe players should be given a better reason to come and visit "The whatever Inn" somewhat regularly other than for the purpose of Role Play because let's be honest, the majority of us would only spend like less than 5% of our overall time Role Playing at all so, the question is, what can be done to enforce this idea?

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Karthos

Why?

Professor Posh

karthos wrote: »

Why?

Why what? 😂

Shoklen

Do it like in Star Wars Galaxies.. (okay maybe not exactly)... In that game the only way to 'heal' mind wounds was to be entertained by other players in the Cantinas... Drop in the local tavern, relax, get a buff (or xp boost?)...

Professor Posh

shoklen wrote: »

Do it like in Star Wars Galaxies.. (okay maybe not exactly)... In that game the only way to 'heal' mind wounds was to be entertained by other players in the Cantinas... Drop in the local tavern, relax, get a buff (or xp boost?)...

Personally, my relax time is off the game

but it's a fair one nonetheless especially for the buffs and xp boosts.

Caeryl

It’s been stated player-owned taverns will offer provisioning such as food and drinks that provide buffs. You will be able to rent rooms which presumably means well-slept bonuses may exist. Taverns may be focuses for quest prompts.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Taverns

Professor Posh

Caeryl wrote: »

It’s been stated player-owned taverns will offer provisioning such as food and drinks that provide buffs. You will be able to rent rooms which presumably means well-slept bonuses may exist. Taverns may be focuses for quest prompts.

I did not know you could rent rooms... thanks for the info. Also, regarding the food and drinks you talk about, will they only be available specifically in Taverns?

Professor Posh

Caeryl wrote: »

It’s been stated player-owned taverns will offer provisioning such as food and drinks that provide buffs. You will be able to rent rooms which presumably means well-slept bonuses may exist. Taverns may be focuses for quest prompts.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Taverns

You know what, that link gave me everything I needed to know. Thanks!

Azathoth

I'm not sure why someone who doesn't role play more than 5% of the time needs a reason to ever go into taverns outside of quests. Also, I am not sure about the majority only role playing less than 5%. That may be true, but it seems like there would be a lot of other games that don't try to include rp that offer pretty much the same thing as Ashes. But, to each their own.

For me, there are a variety of reasons to be at a Tavern, indicating return trips:
-It's a place where my friends and I meet up when we can all play together
-I like the particular aesthetic and the rp offered by the Tavern's patron
-Taverns *hopefully* have local crafts from alchemist/cooks for provisions (as stated above)
-Location, especially if it is close by an area I like to adventure in (since zones won't theoretically be static)
-There could be a series of taverns I hit up on my way out and about and on my way back. If a particular tavern is not of my taste or the local patron/crowd is not what I consider good company, i'll find others.
-Tavern games (gained via the KS)
-Social interaction with others, likely citizens and non-citizens.

But these are just the reasons I can think of before playing the game. Those that don't role play, like stated above, if they're not in the tavern picking up or completing quests I'm not sure what they would be doing. Perhaps they are closet role players that can only experience the true joy of role play through watching/listening to others because they feel as though there is a social stigma to playing 'make believe' as adults.

In general, as a reason why someone else would continue to visit a tavern, that's on them. We can't make each other have fun now, like things, or do things can we.

Nagash

odd post

Professor Posh

nagash wrote: »

odd post

*Whispers* TBH, I just wanted to start a discussion about something as I was bored but little did I know it need not be hehe 🤣.

OrcLuck

I reckon you go into a tavern, to face the mighty dwarf in a challenge of drink, luck be on your side and his guts rumble from the brew before you.

Damokles

It would be cool if taverns had recruitment boards where you could advertise your group etc.
(Like a physical groupfinder)

unknownsystemerror

I know that the main website usually doesn't have relevant information for people, but they did take care of this whole thread.
"Taverns foster adventure in a few ways, one large part being the bulletin board. The bulletin board, quests can be posted here and completed too. If a Tavern owner needs supplies they can post quests, others can also purchase space in order to post quests as well. This keeps the Tavern as a hub of activity. It’ll have people moving in and out, but it will encourage new patrons for the owner and will encourage a higher base of “regulars.”
https://ashesofcreation.com/news/the-mighty-beard

T Elf

azathoth wrote: »

Perhaps they are closet role players that can only experience the true joy of role play through watching/listening to others because they feel as though there is a social stigma to playing 'make believe' as adults.
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Just like in real life there are those who like to watch and listen, and those who like to "show off" love an audience.

WizardTim

TheNobleOne wrote: »

Awesome, we're getting Taverns! Great... so uh... what's the motive?

Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Taverns having the opportunity to settle down somewhere in the world of Verra and I also get the RP influence that comes along with it, but, I am struggling to find the motive to want to keep coming back to "The whatever Inn" other than that reason. What I see happening is that players will completely overrun the Tavern after it's doors open (for the first time) for a couple of days, to then eventually it becoming dead silent in there. I personally believe players should be given a better reason to come and visit "The whatever Inn" somewhat regularly other than for the purpose of Role Play because let's be honest, the majority of us would only spend like less than 5% of our overall time Role Playing at all so, the question is, what can be done to enforce this idea?

Most roleplayers don't care about you or your attendance. They visit the tavern because they want to.

In fact, I foresee this particular request as something RPers would NOT want, as it floods their favorite gathering points with idiots just looking to min/max their game time rather than, yanno, play the role playing game.

I'm not a particularly heavy RPer, but even I can see that this is just an attempt to get something for nothing out of the game... The RP community likely won't see advantageous benefits for spending MORE time in the tavern than random players seeking out some stupid boosts, but will still have to put up with said randoms running in and potentially ruining their experience by running circles around RPers or jumping wildly on the counters or typing random nonsense.

The less time people spend in taverns, the more time people will spend in taverns.

Wandering Mist

wolfwood82 wrote: »

TheNobleOne wrote: »

Awesome, we're getting Taverns! Great... so uh... what's the motive?

Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Taverns having the opportunity to settle down somewhere in the world of Verra and I also get the RP influence that comes along with it, but, I am struggling to find the motive to want to keep coming back to "The whatever Inn" other than that reason. What I see happening is that players will completely overrun the Tavern after it's doors open (for the first time) for a couple of days, to then eventually it becoming dead silent in there. I personally believe players should be given a better reason to come and visit "The whatever Inn" somewhat regularly other than for the purpose of Role Play because let's be honest, the majority of us would only spend like less than 5% of our overall time Role Playing at all so, the question is, what can be done to enforce this idea?

Most roleplayers don't care about you or your attendance. They visit the tavern because they want to.

In fact, I foresee this particular request as something RPers would NOT want, as it floods their favorite gathering points with idiots just looking to min/max their game time rather than, yanno, play the role playing game.

I'm not a particularly heavy RPer, but even I can see that this is just an attempt to get something for nothing out of the game... The RP community likely won't see advantageous benefits for spending MORE time in the tavern than random players seeking out some stupid boosts, but will still have to put up with said randoms running in and potentially ruining their experience by running circles around RPers or jumping wildly on the counters or typing random nonsense.

The less time people spend in taverns, the more time people will spend in taverns.

It seems to be something planned regardless of whether the RPers want it or not, but I can see your concern. It will be interesting to see which players prefer the NPC run taverns in the nodes, as opposed to the player-run taverns in the freeholds. I anticipate there will probably be a divide between the "RP taverns" and those used by non-RPers.

Dygz

I don't even understand the concept of RP taverns or why taverns are supposed to be a gathering place for RPers. I'm left bewildered every time Steven talks about supporting RPers via taverns.
RPers should be able to RP anywhere. Just stay in character and/or focus on what's transpiring in the game rather than talking about stuff that's happening in real life.

Wandering Mist

dygz wrote: »

I don't even understand the concept of RP taverns or why taverns are supposed to be a gathering place for RPers. I'm left bewildered every time Steven talks about supporting RPers via taverns.
RPers should be able to RP anywhere. Just stay in character and/or focus on what's transpiring in the game rather than talking about stuff that's happening in real life.

It's a tradition. One of the most common ways to start a D&D campaign is to have the player characters meet in a tavern/bar/inn where they are either told about or overhear a problem that sets them on their quest. This tradition has transferred to mmorpgs.

It's also quite practical. Even the most avid RPers don't stay "in character" all the time when they are playing, so having a set location where RP regularly happens helps avoid any misunderstandings or confusion. If a certain tavern is known as the "RP tavern" then you can safely assume that anyone in there is "in character". Taverns are convenient because you don't have to worry about combat and can express yourself better than you can in the open world.

So yes you are right that players can RP anywhere in the world, but this rarely happens, especially on a server that isn't specifically for RP.

aurhia

dygz wrote: »

I don't even understand the concept of RP taverns or why taverns are supposed to be a gathering place for RPers. I'm left bewildered every time Steven talks about supporting RPers via taverns.
RPers should be able to RP anywhere. Just stay in character and/or focus on what's transpiring in the game rather than talking about stuff that's happening in real life.

In addition to what wanderingmist said, it's not only tradition to form a party there, it's also a great place to meet other rpers you don't know. If you're starting on a new server or in a node that's not your home one, and don't know anyone, if you find the nearest rp tavern you're likely to find people willing to interact with you. Once you know them, then you know someone you can walk up to anywhere else in game and probably get an in character reception, or other people to plan rp events with. It's a great place to meet people recruiting in character for their RP guild, or just get an idea of what the members are like before you even ask if they're recruiting.

And there are a lot of character and guild concepts that have reasons to be in a tavern. For instance, a tavern near a dock or crossroads is a great place to run a smuggling gang out of. Or even a legitimate trading company. It's a place you can do business deals or go brag to some of the other soldiers/guards about how you ran off an overwhelming force while you were guarding a caravan that just arrived here. It's a place to sit in a dark corner and plan an assassination, or gather information about the people doing any of those previous things. It's a place where people can go to perform if they're some flavor of bardic character (or to see someone perform if they're not).

And given the features being added in Ashes, it'll also be a place to hang out in character and play dice or cards with friends, plan the siege of a node or an ambush on a caravan, and for bounty hunters to visit between bounties. Personally I like to have guild meetings in an rp tavern. You have the IC part of it in game and the ooc part over voice chat.

It may make more sense to you if you consider it akin to a mom and pop community-oriented coffee shop. You get strangers going in and out but you also have regulars who all get to know each other and the staff, and there are performances and games and community meetings at random times.

aurhia

TheNobleOne wrote: »

the majority of us would only spend like less than 5% of our overall time Role Playing at all so, the question is, what can be done to enforce this idea?

That depends on what server you're on and who is on it. Perhaps you would only spend a sliver of time (or none) rping, but for people who do RP, it's usually more like 50-80%. I tend to be closer to that 80%. I'm there for the interactions. Otherwise I'd be in a solo game (or working on art instead of gaming at all). The other bits of the game are there in service to building cooperative stories in a community. Like an exceedingly elaborate and much more dynamic story circle. Why else play an MMORPG? If a person ONLY wants to group up and kill pixels or fight other players, there are tons of non-RPG games that offer that more directly.

If you're not there to rp, you don't need extra reasons to visit a tavern (even though they're adding incentives to do so). It's there to, among other things, give rpers a place to meet each other.

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