Motivate Me - Taverns

Awesome, we're getting Taverns! Great... so uh... what's the motive?

Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Taverns having the opportunity to settle down somewhere in the world of Verra and I also get the RP influence that comes along with it, but, I am struggling to find the motive to want to keep coming back to "The whatever Inn" other than that reason. What I see happening is that players will completely overrun the Tavern after it's doors open (for the first time) for a couple of days, to then eventually it becoming dead silent in there. I personally believe players should be given a better reason to come and visit "The whatever Inn" somewhat regularly other than for the purpose of Role Play because let's be honest, the majority of us would only spend like less than 5% of our overall time Role Playing at all so, the question is, what can be done to enforce this idea?

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Dygz

azathoth wrote: »

I just don't think it's necessary because it will either feel mandatory/forced if it generates any actual benefit. I could be wrong. If IS went the route you suggested it might encourage RP.

Double-xp from drinking in a tavern will not encourage RP. People who don't already RP will just sit and drink to reap the rewards - no different than speed-running dungeons.

WizardTim

dygz wrote: »

azathoth wrote: »

I just don't think it's necessary because it will either feel mandatory/forced if it generates any actual benefit. I could be wrong. If IS went the route you suggested it might encourage RP.

Double-xp from drinking in a tavern will not encourage RP. People who don't already RP will just sit and drink to reap the rewards - no different than speed-running dungeons.

So, 3 hours of butt sitting, 3 hours of gameplay gets you 6 hours of experience and 3 hours of rewards from gameplay (loot, quest rewards, story progressions, etc.)

Compared to... 6 hours of gameplay getting you 6 hours of experience and 6 hours of rewards from gameplay.

There is no benefit to taking this, what you refer to as, "OP reason to /tavern!"... It actually results in a net loss over time. Your argument is illogical.

Dygz

For one thing, 3 hours of butt-sitting + 3 hours of gameplay should not get you 6 hours of xp.
The notion that 3 hours of butt-sitting gets you 3 hours of xp is what's illogical.

But, even granting that much as an acceptable feature, it should not only be a reward for drinking in a tavern... we should also be able to accomplish the same thing while socializing and roleplaying in other types of freeholds besides just taverns.

WizardTim

dygz wrote: »

For one thing, 3 hours of butt-sitting + 3 hours of gameplay should not get you 6 hours of xp.
The notion that 3 hours of butt-sitting gets you 3 hours of xp is what's illogical.

But, even granting that much as an acceptable feature, it should not only be a reward for drinking in a tavern... we should also be able to accomplish the same thing while socializing and roleplaying in other types of freeholds besides just taverns.

3 hours of butt sitting + 3 hours of gameplay = 6 hours of playing the game. 6 hours of enjoying the game and the company within the game. 6 hours of playing a subscription based game that people literally pay for on a monthly basis to play.

It does not grant an advantage, it only allows players to keep some semblance of pace with non-RPers while still enjoying the game and actually creating their own content to consume.

It's not a reward, that's the part you seem to be getting wrong repeatedly. It's basically just an exchange. And yes, absolutely, the only limitations to this system should be that you can't engage in activity such as combat/crafting while "drinking ale" or roleplaying.

Azryil

wolfwood82 wrote: »

the only limitations to this system should be that you can't engage in activity such as combat/crafting while "drinking ale" or roleplaying.

What do you have against drunken combat?

Nagash

arzosah wrote: »

wolfwood82 wrote: »

the only limitations to this system should be that you can't engage in activity such as combat/crafting while "drinking ale" or roleplaying.

What do you have against drunken combat?

isn't all dwarven combat drunk combat?

Caeryl

arzosah wrote: »

wolfwood82 wrote: »

the only limitations to this system should be that you can't engage in activity such as combat/crafting while "drinking ale" or roleplaying.

What do you have against drunken combat?

I vote for this suggestion to go forth, with the caveat that cost fighting is allowed, with a betting system

Azathoth

You shouldn't be able to get xp from any afk activity. That is my point.

Dygz

wolfwood82 wrote: »

3 hours of butt sitting + 3 hours of gameplay = 6 hours of playing the game. 6 hours of enjoying the game and the company within the game. 6 hours of playing a subscription based game that people literally pay for on a monthly basis to play.

It does not grant an advantage, it only allows players to keep some semblance of pace with non-RPers while still enjoying the game and actually creating their own content to consume.

It's not a reward, that's the part you seem to be getting wrong repeatedly. It's basically just an exchange. And yes, absolutely, the only limitations to this system should be that you can't engage in activity such as combat/crafting while "drinking ale" or roleplaying.

Butt-sitting is "playing the game", but not in a manner that earns xp. Especially not Adventurer xp.
Adventurer xp is a reward that characters receive for doing Adventurer stuff and surviving risks. Adventurer stuff does not include just drinking while butt-sitting for 3 hours.
Crafting xp is a reward for doing Crafting stuff. Crafting stuff does not include just drinking while butt-sitting for 3 hours.
In RPGs, characters don't earn xp for just drinking while butt-sitting in a tavern for 3 hours.
That's the part you seem to be getting wrong, repeatedly.

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Dygz

@Heteroclite
Um. I barely even know who are well enough to form any opinion about you. And disagreement doesn't cause me to dislike people. I know of no reason why I would dislike you.
I first replied to this thread because I don't understand @wanderingmist 's concept of an "RP tavern" - as opposed to any other kind of tavern or why RP would primarily be occurring in taverns as opposed to other freeholds or social areas, like temples, thieves guilds and scholars academies.
The posts I didn't read in this thread were yours. I was not even aware you were posting in this thread.
Also, the thread topic was answered to the satisfaction of the original poster before I first posted here.

I don't know of anyone opposed to emoting with a mug of ale. I doubt people are going to earn 3 hours of Adventurer xp from emoting with a mug of ale.
Parlor games is one incentive the devs are implementing to motivate people to hang out in taverns.
Bulletin boards with quests and tasks is another incentive the devs are implementing to motivate people to hang out in taverns.
Food and drink with buffs is another incentive the devs are implementing to motivate people to hang out in taverns.
Battle maps that provide bonuses to siege combat is another incentive the devs are implementing to motivate people to hang out in taverns.

I would not be surprised to see some form rested xp from taverns, but it's more likely to cap at a specific amount of xp that is not measured in hours. And it's especially not going to be 3 hours per day. The cap would most likely be some % of total xp to next level.

Nagash

add tabletop game.

that is all

Dygz

Yes. I think the devs are including tabletop as an option under parlour games.

Azathoth

I would be okay with tavern games, or games where ever they may be, granting xp. Just not sitting and doing nothing with your character. Emoting should not grant xp. Playing games with others, imo, should.

Professor Posh

I created this thread but I have no idea what's going on anymore... Welp.

Karthos

dygz wrote: »

Yes. I think the devs are including tabletop as an option under parlour games.

Add "flip table" option please

Nagash

TheNobleOne wrote: »

I created this thread but I have no idea what's going on anymore... Welp.

Welcome to the forums ^^

Professor Posh

nagash wrote: »

TheNobleOne wrote: »

I created this thread but I have no idea what's going on anymore... Welp.

Welcome to the forums ^^

Thank you for the warming welcome! 😁

JoePenz

Gambling/mini games using actual in game money. Poker, black jack, arm wrestling, dice, roulette, darts. Newly created games that would fit well with the world. I would love this.

Wandering Mist

JoePenz wrote: »

Gambling/mini games using actual in game money. Poker, black jack, arm wrestling, dice, roulette, darts. Newly created games that would fit well with the world. I would love this.

Given the current state of affairs in the gaming industry, this is probably the least appropriate thing they could put into Ashes.

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