APOC Angst

Now that apoc has been unleashed upon the great unwashed masses I have lost count of the number of comments I have seen on forums, reddit and youtube expressing outrage at the fact that Intrepid was supposed to be making an MMO but all we have is a BR. Those in the know try in vain to set the record straight telling the ill informed that indeed the MMO is still being worked on and the BR is just a test bed for many systems that will be used in the MMO. There is much crying, rage and gnashing of teeth at the supposed change in direction by Intrepid it's all quite amusing really.

But the question is what should we as followers of Ashes of Creation do about all of this misinformation?

IMO NOTHING!

While there is great consternation out there surrounding apoc right now once we get into Alpha 1 then roll into Alpha 2 and the Beta phases Apoc will barely register in the back of peoples minds. There will be so much MMO coverage out there surrounding Ashes of Creation almost all of those who wrote Intrepid off will all be standing up paying attention waiting for that launch day to arrive. There is such a thirst amongst gamers for a quality MMO the ball is honestly in Intrepids court as to whether they can make that game.

So IMO let the fools rage and throw their tantrums they will be back.

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Caeryl

ferryman wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

We could ask whos fault is that raging and crying? It is only Intrepid Studios own fault.

Maybe it was the plan from the beginning or maybe it was a change of strategy...

In any case, they have misleaded people and now they just have to deal with that negative feedback. Unfortunately they have deserved it and only time will tell if they get their reputation back.

Speaking of angst from people who don’t understand why APOC exists

This comments just shows how some people believe blindly every excuse what developers have told them.

“Blindly” seeing what APOC has contributed to for combat, sever performance, grouping mechanics.

You’re just upset because you’ve never actually seen a game’s gritty development process. Imagine being shown the white space animation testing areas, and then complaining that your getting an animation gallery instead of an MMO.

Every part of this has its use.

Atama

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

We could ask whos fault is that raging and crying? It is only Intrepid Studios own fault.

Maybe it was the plan from the beginning or maybe it was a change of strategy...

In any case, they have misleaded people and now they just have to deal with that negative feedback. Unfortunately they have deserved it and only time will tell if they get their reputation back.

Speaking of angst from people who don’t understand why APOC exists

This comments just shows how some people believe blindly every excuse what developers have told them.

“Blindly” seeing what APOC has contributed to for combat, sever performance, grouping mechanics.

You’re just upset because you’ve never actually seen a game’s gritty development process. Imagine being shown the white space animation testing areas, and then complaining that your getting an animation gallery instead of an MMO.

Every part of this has its use.

If it was a white space animation area for a completely different game, yes I’d be justifiably pissed off as they wasted time and resources on something unrelated to what I invested in.

Caeryl

Atama wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

We could ask whos fault is that raging and crying? It is only Intrepid Studios own fault.

Maybe it was the plan from the beginning or maybe it was a change of strategy...

In any case, they have misleaded people and now they just have to deal with that negative feedback. Unfortunately they have deserved it and only time will tell if they get their reputation back.

Speaking of angst from people who don’t understand why APOC exists

This comments just shows how some people believe blindly every excuse what developers have told them.

“Blindly” seeing what APOC has contributed to for combat, sever performance, grouping mechanics.

You’re just upset because you’ve never actually seen a game’s gritty development process. Imagine being shown the white space animation testing areas, and then complaining that your getting an animation gallery instead of an MMO.

Every part of this has its use.

If it was a white space animation area for a completely different game, yes I’d be justifiably pissed off as they wasted time and resources on something unrelated to what I invested in.

Given that everything in APOC is part of the larger MMO experience, you have no reason for all this grief. It's for testing MMO features of combat without having to manage the completely unrelated aspects involved in the world building. Their server has to be able to smoothly handle all the input commands and calculations for player actions before it can start handling everything else too.

Atama

Caeryl wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

We could ask whos fault is that raging and crying? It is only Intrepid Studios own fault.

Maybe it was the plan from the beginning or maybe it was a change of strategy...

In any case, they have misleaded people and now they just have to deal with that negative feedback. Unfortunately they have deserved it and only time will tell if they get their reputation back.

Speaking of angst from people who don’t understand why APOC exists

This comments just shows how some people believe blindly every excuse what developers have told them.

“Blindly” seeing what APOC has contributed to for combat, sever performance, grouping mechanics.

You’re just upset because you’ve never actually seen a game’s gritty development process. Imagine being shown the white space animation testing areas, and then complaining that your getting an animation gallery instead of an MMO.

Every part of this has its use.

If it was a white space animation area for a completely different game, yes I’d be justifiably pissed off as they wasted time and resources on something unrelated to what I invested in.

Given that everything in APOC is part of the larger MMO experience, you have no reason for all this grief. It's for testing MMO features of combat without having to manage the completely unrelated aspects involved in the world building. Their server has to be able to smoothly handle all the input commands and calculations for player actions before it can start handling everything else too.

But this isn’t the MMO combat. Where is the hybrid tab/action? You can’t say that you’re testing the combat system when you don’t even have it in place. Where are my class spells? You’re swallowing their tripe and calling it steak.

Honestly I don’t buy this propaganda about how the BR is necessary to get the MMO working right. That’s BS. It’s a lie. If you’re a pizza place you don’t bake birthday cakes because you want to make sure the ovens work. Total crap.

Let’s call this what it is... A cash grab and a distraction. Battle Royale games are popular right now and easy to make. They have zero content. You make a combat system then you’re done. Players run around and play tag with swords and bows. It gives them a revenue stream and shows customers that there’s “something” even though it’s not remotely what was promised or asked for.

I hope that they are getting something out of this. I hope that this is somehow helping them test a few systems that might be used later. But there is absolutely no question that developing the BR is delaying the MMO. APOC requires resources to make and maintain which aren’t going toward AoC.

Going back to the pizza place analogy, it’s like they got investors to help them make a pizza joint, but pizza is hard to get right so they start making tortilla chips. The time spent making chips and getting them right absolutely delays the pizza development. If you’re an investor you’re rightfully concerned about this restaurant. If they’re telling you “we have to make chips before making pizza” you’re going to call them on that, because that is absolutely not a natural precursor. You don’t learn how to make dough from rolling tortillas.

Again, I haven’t given up on IS and I do have hope that they’re still working as hard as ever on the MMO, and that somehow this will help with that (if indirectly). But don’t sell me a load of crap that APOC is necessary for the MMO to be developed.

“It's for testing MMO features of combat without having to manage the completely unrelated aspects involved in the world building.” Bullcrap. Do you know how you test the MMO combat without managing the world-building? Give us the MMO combat without the world-building part. But they’re not. They could let us play using the MMO combat system and features, and make it PvP so you don’t even have to worry about NPCs. You don’t make a parallel, unrelated action combat system so that we can play D&D Fortnite.

Ferryman

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

We could ask whos fault is that raging and crying? It is only Intrepid Studios own fault.

Maybe it was the plan from the beginning or maybe it was a change of strategy...

In any case, they have misleaded people and now they just have to deal with that negative feedback. Unfortunately they have deserved it and only time will tell if they get their reputation back.

Speaking of angst from people who don’t understand why APOC exists

This comments just shows how some people believe blindly every excuse what developers have told them.

“Blindly” seeing what APOC has contributed to for combat, sever performance, grouping mechanics.

You’re just upset because you’ve never actually seen a game’s gritty development process. Imagine being shown the white space animation testing areas, and then complaining that your getting an animation gallery instead of an MMO.

Every part of this has its use.

If a gaming company is developing several games at the same time, of course they can use some same ideas and mechanics in their games how they want to. However, like already pointed out, AoC the MMORPG does not need the Apoc or its data to be finished, and even the combat testing argument does not make that much sense if the combat won't be the same.

Now people are disapointed, because they backed for a game which was supposted to be MMORPG. Then suddenly BR game popped up from nowhere. This has clearly delayd the main project what people have paid for, and now even some people are concerned are they going to see the MMORPG at all. The whole Apoc project is now sold us as a testing ground even it is clearly more about a business move. It is a change of business strategy or it was kept as a secret for a "good" reason.

Yeah I personally believe that we are going to see the AoC MMORPG at someday, but it will be delayed because of Apoc. Anyway, my trust for IS is very thin atm, simply because I feel misleaded.

umji

PLUS ONE.

Blackhearted

Theyre getting valuable accuracy data thats basically mandatory for balancing hybrid combat.

Apoc is an attempt to make testing fun for the players. Having empty space for testing wouldve most likely kept the amount of player testers very low in addition to lacking player interaction data.

I think that basic capture the flag or alike couldve fit more for mmo testing, but considering the recent trends and need for players I can see how they ended up here.

Nagash

Blackhearted wrote: »

Theyre getting valuable accuracy data thats basically mandatory for balancing hybrid combat.

Apoc is an attempt to make testing fun for the players. Having empty space for testing wouldve most likely kept the amount of player testers very low in addition to lacking player interaction data.

I think that basic capture the flag or alike couldve fit more for mmo testing, but considering the recent trends and need for players I can see how they ended up here.

I just hope they have the numbers to get data otherwise all this would have been for nought

Robben DuMarsch

The gaming world is really busy these days. Most players will only give your game one look.

Ferryman

Blackhearted wrote: »

Theyre getting valuable accuracy data thats basically mandatory for balancing hybrid combat.

Apoc is an attempt to make testing fun for the players. Having empty space for testing wouldve most likely kept the amount of player testers very low in addition to lacking player interaction data.

I think that basic capture the flag or alike couldve fit more for mmo testing, but considering the recent trends and need for players I can see how they ended up here.

Or they could focus straight for that hybrid combat.

Apoc testing can of course be fun for some players, but that is not why the game has developed at first place. This is purely business matter, which of course gives devs some data for MMORPG project too, but without the Apoc the MMORPG would be much more further what it is right now. This is the main reason why so many are disapointed, frustrated or angry or something.

There is a really good reason why that capture flag does not fit more to MMORPG..

Ferryman

Robben DuMarsch wrote: »

The gaming world is really busy these days. Most players will only give your game one look.

That is a really good point, mess once and loose players forever. It is hard to regain the trust if you loose it, there is so much games out there so players will easily find a new game.. However, MMORPG genre have been in waiting situation for a while now, and lots of promising games are still in development. That might forgive some mistakes or weird decisions I guess.

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