What features you dislike in MMOs and hope Ashes won't have?

As each MMORPGs have some good features (GW2 mounts, crafting system of SWG, housing of Wildstar *RIP* etc), they have some bad ones as well. They tend to have very similar features to WoW and other traditional MMORPGs which most people dislike and think they're outdated. There are two features I see in MMOs and despise. One of them is the 'artificial' feel most of MMOs in which case you just click stuff to do things with the mouse pointer (kills the immersion and looks ugly tbh). The other is boring and non skill based combat (both action: spamming abilities in order and tab: pressing buttons at the right time...) So, what features you don't want to see in Ashes of Creation?

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Ferryman

That is true. Too many times undead, chaos and demon forces are at the role of antagonists. In Fractured you can actually play demons, but they live in PvP planet so that is not so good news for PvE centric players. Imo playable undeads does not need to brainless zombies or skeletons, and could be more like vampires, ghouls and such.

Nagash

ferryman wrote: »

That is true. Too many times undead, chaos and demon forces are at the role of antagonists. In Fractured you can actually play demons, but they live in PvP planet so that is not so good news for PvE centric players. Imo playable undeads does not need to brainless zombies or skeletons, and could be more like vampires, ghouls and such.

oh you are also watching fractured ^^

Ferryman

Nagash wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

That is true. Too many times undead, chaos and demon forces are at the role of antagonists. In Fractured you can actually play demons, but they live in PvP planet so that is not so good news for PvE centric players. Imo playable undeads does not need to brainless zombies or skeletons, and could be more like vampires, ghouls and such.

oh you are also watching fractured ^^

Yeah that one too. I am actually following several MMORPG projects which are still under early development. I guess that is quite common habbit nowadays and many people are just waiting for the next big thing. It would be nice to get hands at least in beta tests so there would be something reasonable to play with, now I am just playing WoW Classic as a filler, because there is nothing more interesting out there. This is quite sad actually.

In 2017 when I found Ashes, I was so hyped and excited. I really liked the ongoing athmosphere of IS, but this year has killed the hype and faded the most of the excitment. I have seen this same problem happening with other games too, they do not manage to keep up the hype after a good start, I guess there has been some problems with marketing strategy and with too optimistic development plans.

Selo

Gearscore, or DPS meters

CrazySquiggle

Selo wrote: »

Gearscore, or DPS meters

Sorry to ruin your day, but there will be a DPS/Combat meter one way or another. Either someone from the community will make one or IS will do it. I would prefer IS do that honestly though, because they could just make a personal DPS/Combat meter so it is only for self-improvement.

r a

Content or ability to progress that is locked behind hours of story mode. I really hated it when I had to suffer for so many days in some games doing the main storyline just to be able to progress/unlock something as it was the only way to obtain that specific thing. I think there should be some alternative to that. Not everyone likes to do storyline (so-called main quests) in games.

Ghoosty

r a wrote: »

Content or ability to progress that is locked behind hours of story mode. I really hated it when I had to suffer for so many days in some games doing the main storyline just to be able to progress/unlock something as it was the only way to obtain that specific thing. I think there should be some alternative to that. Not everyone likes to do storyline (so-called main quests) in games.

To be honest, I have ambivalent feeling about this. With an alt I definitely agree with you. But regarding the first character I find it OK to not open, if something has to happen in the questline what cause to open that content. For example the cliché: you help a crazy dwarf to make a big explosion in a mine what cause a mine collapse what open an ancient cave with an evil boss. Without your help, this explosion not happen so it is logical that you should not see that content. If the restriction is like: I see an open cave, but I can't enter it, just because I did not do something earlier, I would hate it as well.
So I would create an option that an alt can skip storyline, but the first character can have some logical restriction.

Damokles

r a wrote: »

Content or ability to progress that is locked behind hours of story mode. I really hated it when I had to suffer for so many days in some games doing the main storyline just to be able to progress/unlock something as it was the only way to obtain that specific thing. I think there should be some alternative to that. Not everyone likes to do storyline (so-called main quests) in games.

I would say, that you have to do story quests with one character once, and all other characters can skip the storyline. But hereis another thing: story quests will be dependend on the node level and other outside factors

Noaani

r a wrote: »

Content or ability to progress that is locked behind hours of story mode. I really hated it when I had to suffer for so many days in some games doing the main storyline just to be able to progress/unlock something as it was the only way to obtain that specific thing. I think there should be some alternative to that. Not everyone likes to do storyline (so-called main quests) in games.

But if there isn't a reason to do the story quests, why even have them?

I mean, I agree that there shouldn't just be a single questline that takes you from level 1 to max level like a lot of full on themepark MMO's do, but having multuple long questlines with an interweaving story (more what I'd expect fron Ashes a year or so after launch) needs to have sctual rewards behind it.

Dygz

Endgame

edgymcmemelord

Varkun wrote: »

Fast travel the world needs to feel big again.

No more LFG or LFR get the community back into MMO's no more I can do it all by myself. Form some relationships who knows some of you might like it.

I wouldn't mind fast travel, but it make so it's exactly that: FAST TRAVEL. Fats travel in most MMO's is just an instant teleport. If AoC is going to have a massive map, we should at least have a some kind of transport at the largest cities. If anyone remember the Elder Scrolls III, Morrowind, you'll remember the boats, silt striders, and Mages' Guild teleporters. Making large cities more spread out and less common, that would give players just one more to travel to those large cities, as they are SUPPOSED to be anchors for commerce and travel. Fats travel isn't game-breaking at all if it's implemented well.

edgymcmemelord

Ghoosty wrote: »

r a wrote: »

Content or ability to progress that is locked behind hours of story mode. I really hated it when I had to suffer for so many days in some games doing the main storyline just to be able to progress/unlock something as it was the only way to obtain that specific thing. I think there should be some alternative to that. Not everyone likes to do storyline (so-called main quests) in games.

To be honest, I have ambivalent feeling about this. With an alt I definitely agree with you. But regarding the first character I find it OK to not open, if something has to happen in the questline what cause to open that content. For example the cliché: you help a crazy dwarf to make a big explosion in a mine what cause a mine collapse what open an ancient cave with an evil boss. Without your help, this explosion not happen so it is logical that you should not see that content. If the restriction is like: I see an open cave, but I can't enter it, just because I did not do something earlier, I would hate it as well.
So I would create an option that an alt can skip storyline, but the first character can have some logical restriction.

Hm, interesting idea. Another possiblity could be world bosses never showing up for you unless you have completed certain storyline objectives. I mean, if the main story has you accidentally blow open some ancient cave with a god boss inside, why would you be able to access that cave without ever opening it yourself? Even after beating any of these storyline bosses the first time, seeing them in the open world again would be normal just like any other world boss. It would also give a sense of curiosity when a bunch of people talk about how hard a world boss is, yet you are completely clueless to it, it can intrigue you to find out for yourself as long as you don't search the internet for spoilers.

Damokles

edgymcmemelord wrote: »

Varkun wrote: »

Fast travel the world needs to feel big again.

No more LFG or LFR get the community back into MMO's no more I can do it all by myself. Form some relationships who knows some of you might like it.

I wouldn't mind fast travel, but it make so it's exactly that: FAST TRAVEL. Fats travel in most MMO's is just an instant teleport. If AoC is going to have a massive map, we should at least have a some kind of transport at the largest cities. If anyone remember the Elder Scrolls III, Morrowind, you'll remember the boats, silt striders, and Mages' Guild teleporters. Making large cities more spread out and less common, that would give players just one more to travel to those large cities, as they are SUPPOSED to be anchors for commerce and travel. Fats travel isn't game-breaking at all if it's implemented well.

There will be some kind of "fast travel". Notably though mostly for the scientific nodes: they have an instant teleport between the metropolis and their subservient nodes in their ZoI, as well as airship travel between two or more scientific nodes.

Nagash

turn undead

Dayuhan

Disliked Feature found in some other MMO's
Auto-leveling PvE creatures. A sewer rat is a sewer rat, they may be a challenge for someone who doesn't know what end of the weapon to hold, but for a seasoned veteran the exact same sewer rat should not be much of a challenge. If an inexperienced adventurer wanders in to an area where there are some powerful monsters, they should use their common sense and make a hasty retreat until they become more confident in their abilities - the monsters should not suddenly become "de-leveled" to match the adventurers experience level.

Dygz

r a wrote: »

Content or ability to progress that is locked behind hours of story mode. I really hated it when I had to suffer for so many days in some games doing the main storyline just to be able to progress/unlock something as it was the only way to obtain that specific thing. I think there should be some alternative to that. Not everyone likes to do storyline (so-called main quests) in games.

I'm not really sure what "main storyline" means when we will primarily be focused on progressing regions and Nodes and Religious and Social organizations.
Also, many quests will no longer be available for alts once they are first completed.
Ashes is a themebox, rather than a themepark.

Ghoosty

@Dygz Archeage is a sandbox MMO. Even it has a main storyline. If AoC has more theme-park element, we should expect for a main storyline as well.

nefelia

T Elf wrote: »

I dislike when a mob is attacking and NPCs stand around and walk around like nothing is going on...nothing to see here...
I want NPCs to react to what is happening, have them run away if necessary, have them fight, have them cower; do something to show they, too, are part of the experience.

Amen. This applies to less intelligent mobs as well: a field of rhino-like beasts all placidly grazing as I take them down one by one, all oblivious to the plight of their herd. Really kills immersion.

I don't expect the mobs to be as dynamic and unpredictable as in Diablo 3, but I hope to see some progress here. It seems the MMO genre has been largely stagnant in this regard.

Soluna wrote: »

I really hope Ashes will somehow prevent players from skipping whole parts of a dungeon.. I´m not sure if that´s possible at all but what I´ve experienced in many mmorpgs I´ve played was that players always go the easy way when doing dungeons. In Guild Wars 2 for example every Arah run (lvl 80 dungeon) was: Someone just pulls all of the mobs, runs through half of the dungeon, dies somewhere to reset all the mobs and the rest of the group just follows.. That´s rlly not what I´d like to see anymore in any upcoming mmorpg.. I rlly like it when all kind of content is challenging but also rewarding!

Tying rewards to the amount of mobs kills and objectives completed would take care of that issue handily.

Of course, not having dungeon dailies/weeklies would also remove the incentive for such play anyway. If Intrepid Studios makes every part of a dungeon rewarding in some way, then dungeons should attract groups of people intent on completing the dungeons, rather than groups of people intent on getting it out of the way ASAP in order to turn in their daily.

mcstackerson

Ghoosty wrote: »

@Dygz Archeage is a sandbox MMO. Even it has a main storyline. If AoC has more theme-park element, we should expect for a main storyline as well.

I wouldn't call archeage strictly a sandbox as the lead designer's goal for Archeage was to make it a sandpark. He wanted to combine the two so you had a sandbox game with some themepark elements to help guide players through the game.

Ashes seems to be doing something similar and i believe they have used the sandpark/themebox term before, I just think it's wrong to try to say ashes should have a story because AA has a story and it's a sandbox.

Dygz

Ghoosty wrote: »

@Dygz Archeage is a sandbox MMO. Even it has a main storyline. If AoC has more theme-park element, we should expect for a main storyline as well.

You really didn’t address what I said.
What I’m responding to is the notion of “doing the main storyline to unlock something” in a game where the primary focuses are Node progression, Religious progression, Social Org progression, Caravan runs and Sieges.
I’m not aware of ArcheAge having those features.

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