pay2win is ok but intrusive p2w is not?!

Hey guys,
After ArcheAge im very susceptible to p2w mechanics. The following might be wrong wording from Steven. Quote from the letter: "A world where choice matters, where risk vs reward can be truly felt, and intrusive pay-to-win monetization has no place."

meaning normal p2w has a place?!

I know Ashes stance is against pay 2 win but please be clear in the wording so there is no other way to interpret it.

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Atama

Dygz wrote: »

The Ashes shop is fine. But, I would be fine with P2W, too.
Both have the issue of enticing me to spend cash I probably shouldn't.
But, really, just don't pay for stuff you don't want to pay for.

The problem with P2W isn’t that there is stuff available you don’t want to buy. The problem is that inevitably when a game uses P2W, at some point you have to buy to succeed. And often your measure of success is due less to the time you’ve invested, your knowledge of the game, and your skill in playing. It’s based purely on how much cash you’re willing to drop. I’ve experienced this myself in games like Neverwinter Online, where literally all the best gear is only available by purchase from the cash shop.

Fortunately AoC won’t go down that road. They have cosmetics, but those have no impact on your ability to progress through the game. So we can avoid that awful fate.

unknownsystemerror

My Barbie is the best Barbie, and is prettier than your Barbie, so suck it.

Dygz

I am a casual, non-competitive carebear, so...
I have never experienced buying something P2W because I couldn't succeed without it.
Again, my main in EQ2 only wears starting rags and gets "armor"/gear score from crafted jewelry and weapons. And I have several characters that level just from professions and exploration.
All depends on how one measures "success".
Since I am fashion over function - I don't really care about "best gear".
I do care about "cool" gear. A lot of times, that is fashion and could be purely cosmetic. Sometimes, it's the convenience of making things easier, sure.
But, for me, those are pretty much the same thing - with RP aesthetic having significantly higher value for me than combat efficiency. I would rather spend time figuring out ways to win with great-looking, visually thematic, sub-par gear than wear best-in-slot gear for combat efficiency.
But, I play MMORPGs more for the story than for the "game".
I do need to be able to progress in levels. I prefer to not feel like I'm stuck in "hell levels" that take forever. But, I haven't had the experience of needing to buy P2W items because I can't succeed without them. In Wow, there were some levels where I made compromises to my RP and had to use leggings/pants rather than a kilt - but, it's always been that I can find a strategy to win with drops. P2W is just convenience... BUT...!!!

That's why I post my Bartle Score - because even for other RPG players with Killer as their lowest rating, with a rating of Killer 0%, I've got to be towards the extreme end of carebear. (Even though my actual interest isn't truly 0... probably close enough).

Lots of different playstyles among MMORPG players, though.

I think in NWO, I tended to pay real world cash for faster mounts.
At vanilla endgame, I did pay for gear to upgrade my duo partner's gearscore - and I think I used real world cash to purchase in-game currency for that.

Kuldjux

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

My Barbie is the best Barbie, and is prettier than your Barbie, so suck it.

I enjoyed painting miniatures for tabletop D&D well into my late 20s, does that make me a little girl?

Dygz

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

My Barbie is the best Barbie, and is prettier than your Barbie, so suck it.

Yep. I'm a Boomer, so... I had a Barbie collection. My G.I. Joes needed someone to date when they came home from Viet Nam.
(only just now occurred to me they could have dated each other!!)

leamese

I almost regretted making this thread but the laughs are worth it 👌

Damokles

leamese wrote: »

I almost regretted making this thread but the laughs are worth it 👌

THERE IS NO GOING BACK NOW, WE MUST GO DEEPER INTO THE MINES!

consultant

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

There will be no P2W in AoC. There will be things like cosmetics, imagine GW2's shop. It is not P2W is it now?.

And of course on top of that you can buy in-game gold with real world money which I know some people really don't like.

Sometimes it is better for companies to sell gold to fight gold bots unless they have a system to bann them. Had my account hacked into just so guy could farm gold. Whole thing is automated. Unless Ashes of Creation has a really good sytem to ban those bots which I hope they do, then maybe selling gold not such a bad idea. Those goldsellers are like a cancer.

Wandering Mist

consultant wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

There will be no P2W in AoC. There will be things like cosmetics, imagine GW2's shop. It is not P2W is it now?.

And of course on top of that you can buy in-game gold with real world money which I know some people really don't like.

Sometimes it is better for companies to sell gold to fight gold bots unless they have a system to bann them. Had my account hacked into just so guy could farm gold. Whole thing is automated. Unless Ashes of Creation has a really good sytem to ban those bots which I hope they do, then maybe selling gold not such a bad idea. Those goldsellers are like a cancer.

There is no way to ban out gold sellers in a f2p game like GW2. It's impossible. The way you "fight" gold sellers is to reduce the demand for their services, not by trying to compete with them on price (the gold sellers will always win on price).

That said, the mere fact that Ashes will be subscription-based will naturally reduce the number of gold sellers. They will still be around of course, but they will be less present than in a f2p game.

Atama

Cool are we posting inside quotes now?

Noaani

Atama wrote: »

Cool are we posting inside quotes now?

Is there any other way?

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