Amazon Game Studios - New World = Learning opportunity

New world shares a lot of similarities with the Ashes of creation vision. In my opinion, AoC has a lot more potential but New World can still be seen as an amazing learning opportunity.

Intrepid studios, please, watch the community feedback on New World when it comes out. Learn from their mistakes and especially from their future succeses.

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Nagash

Wololo wrote: »

played new world under nda. you can see they did put alot of money and time in that game when it comes to graphic design and performance optimizations. however, at no point it feld like playing a mmo but more like a online survival game. the worse imo is the messed up pvp which feels unsalvageable.

I'm just going to play it for a few weeks before I pass judgment but a lot if people have shared the same view as you.

Damokles

From what i have seen until now, it looks as if it was just a testbed for the combat and PvP setting in the LotR game.
I still dont believe that a MMORPG without dungeons or raids will ever be my cup of tea tbh. (That was also the reason, why i dint play BDO for any amount of time)

Ferryman

Wololo wrote: »

played new world under nda. you can see they did put alot of money and time in that game when it comes to graphic design and performance optimizations. however, at no point it feld like playing a mmo but more like a online survival game. the worse imo is the messed up pvp which feels unsalvageable.

I am not a big fan of survival games and this is my fear as well. However, I have tried to dig some information, and it seams there will be quite interesting features when the game is ready for launch. I hope the settlement with playerhousing, factions and town project-progression system helps with the survival feeling. Furthermore, I am interested see how the corrupted breaches and fort defences works out. What it comes to PvP I really want se how the war system works and how interesting those missions will be. Even the free open world PVP was removed and it was replaced with a flag system, perhaps those PvP missions which automatically flags players will lead to interesting open world PvP action.

Ferryman

Damokles wrote: »

I still dont believe that a MMORPG without dungeons or raids will ever be my cup of tea tbh. (That was also the reason, why i dint play BDO for any amount of time)

I have also wondered that will those corrupted breaches, world bosses and fort defences be enough for PvE end-game content. If something more is planned for the future that would be nice and maybe even needed.

Ferryman

voidshadow wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

PracticalChip wrote: »

I was in the NDA alpha for New World. I see it as 100% a learning opportunity. The game itself was NOT good in my opinion, however I do believe that it will eventually spark a good thing. I believe amazon game studios is a great thing to have as extra competition for the industry.

I hope that New World helps Amazon to develop a ground breaking Lord of the Rings MMO.

Also i get the feeling they're pretty well of with the lotr mmo already. Might try releasing it in tandem to the tv show

Those two projects will support each other for sure and I have personally really high hopes from both of them.

George_Black

Sarevok wrote: »

I heard they gutted the PvP in it. Once i heard that I stopped caring.

Same

Ferryman

I personally understand developers choise to leave full loot PvP rules out of the game. It can cause serious problems even in some games it would work just fine.

"One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues."

Here is the whole explanation from devs behalf: https://newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/the-evolution-of-new-worlds-pvp

Wandering Mist

ferryman wrote: »

I personally understand developers choise to leave full loot PvP rules out of the game. It can cause serious problems even in some games it would work just fine.

"One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues."

Here is the whole explanation from devs behalf: https://newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/the-evolution-of-new-worlds-pvp

I honestly can't believe the devs were so naive to think this wouldn't happen. It's like they have never played an open world PvP game before (which they probably haven't). Reading the article there are a few other things that stand out, like this line:

To be specific, by PvP we mean, fair fights that are organized, skill based, and opted into by all participants.

Since when has open world PvP ever been fair? Cmon guys, you cannot be this clueless. If you wanted fair, organised, skill based PvP why are you making an open world PvP-focused game with a full loot drop system? That is the opposite of fair and organised.

Noaani

ferryman wrote: »

I personally understand developers choise to leave full loot PvP rules out of the game. It can cause serious problems even in some games it would work just fine.

"One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues."

Here is the whole explanation from devs behalf: https://newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/the-evolution-of-new-worlds-pvp

This is why no game with a persistent world with full loot PvP has ever existed nor will ever exist.

I really don't understand players that want this.

Any time you see a game claiming to have this, you just know it is either never going to be released, or will be changed within weeks of the first PvP play test.

Ferryman

Wandering Mist wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

I personally understand developers choise to leave full loot PvP rules out of the game. It can cause serious problems even in some games it would work just fine.

"One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues."

Here is the whole explanation from devs behalf: https://newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/the-evolution-of-new-worlds-pvp

I honestly can't believe the devs were so naive to think this wouldn't happen. It's like they have never played an open world PvP game before (which they probably haven't). Reading the article there are a few other things that stand out, like this line:

To be specific, by PvP we mean, fair fights that are organized, skill based, and opted into by all participants.

Since when has open world PvP ever been fair? Cmon guys, you cannot be this clueless. If you wanted fair, organised, skill based PvP why are you making an open world PvP-focused game with a full loot drop system? That is the opposite of fair and organised.

I guess the amount of toxicity that the open world PvP caused in their product, came them as surprise and not the behaviour in general. They wanted to do a open world PvP game with full loot but they were not satisfied with the results. I do not see anything special there.

With the fairness I got the feeling they refer more to their new PvP definition rather than the old full loot version.

I tried to analyze a little bit the situation and end up with following conclusions. Developers wanted to create a full loot PvP game and I think they were awere of the risks what this may cause. However, it seams they were surprised how much toxic behaviour they encountered and especially the systematic killing of lower level players. If I compare the situation with Albion Online, what I have played before, there players are closer as equal because of the power gap between players is smaller. At least I predict so because in Albion there is no character levels. There is obviously something more involved, and most likely one reason is that the playerbase will be larger with the new PvP rules and will appeal for wider audience. It is not hard to predict that this change ensures brighter future of the game.

Wandering Mist

noaani wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

I personally understand developers choise to leave full loot PvP rules out of the game. It can cause serious problems even in some games it would work just fine.

"One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues."

Here is the whole explanation from devs behalf: https://newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/the-evolution-of-new-worlds-pvp

This is why no game with a persistent world with full loot PvP has ever existed nor will ever exist.

I really don't understand players that want this.

Any time you see a game claiming to have this, you just know it is either never going to be released, or will be changed within weeks of the first PvP play test.

I can somewhat understand the appeal but it's so niche that it's hard to get a decent playerbase together to make it work.

Ferryman

Wandering Mist wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

ferryman wrote: »

I personally understand developers choise to leave full loot PvP rules out of the game. It can cause serious problems even in some games it would work just fine.

"One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues."

Here is the whole explanation from devs behalf: https://newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/the-evolution-of-new-worlds-pvp

This is why no game with a persistent world with full loot PvP has ever existed nor will ever exist.

I really don't understand players that want this.

Any time you see a game claiming to have this, you just know it is either never going to be released, or will be changed within weeks of the first PvP play test.

I can somewhat understand the appeal but it's so niche that it's hard to get a decent playerbase together to make it work.

Agreed. This is the main problem.

Anesjka

If New World does not have PvP, maybe i have follow wrong game all this time.

PvP tend to bring out the most immature man children in games.

Damokles

Anesjka wrote: »

If New World does not have PvP, maybe i have follow wrong game all this time.

PvP tend to bring out the most immature man children in games.

New World still has PvP...

Makinoji

Anesjka wrote: »

If New World does not have PvP, maybe i have follow wrong game all this time.

PvP tend to bring out the most immature man children in games.

The PVP is scheduled from what I've gathered from their official channels.

So there will be a set time to start and time to stop those PVP events.

Also, you shouldn't view PVP as negative. It builds character and adds to the flavor of world-building IMO.

Ferryman

Anesjka wrote: »

If New World does not have PvP, maybe i have follow wrong game all this time.

PvP tend to bring out the most immature man children in games.

New world will still have PvP but the hardocore PvP rules (full loot + free PvP) has removed.

Evaluation of New World's PvP: https://newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/the-evolution-of-new-worlds-pvp

Ventharien

noaani wrote: »

This is why no game with a persistent world with full loot PvP has ever existed nor will ever exist.

I really don't understand players that want this.

Any time you see a game claiming to have this, you just know it is either never going to be released, or will be changed within weeks of the first PvP play test.

This is incorrect as there are several games with persistent server worlds full pvp full drop items. Though it is very fair to say these are niche titles with much smaller audiences in the later life of the games.

Ventharien

Wandering Mist wrote: »

I can somewhat understand the appeal but it's so niche that it's hard to get a decent playerbase together to make it work.

There's usually quite an active community on release, but it's almost always in your best intrest to eliminate other groups who could be a threat, so you start seeing dead servers or zones, where one group is on top and noone has any chance to retaliate (ie play the game

) In every one i've played this has occured, and the only ones to have some longevity start to bring in rules or systems to give people a chance to actually play, like battle timers, or the ability to put things away to some degree in a safe place.

Anesjka

After some thinking...

I think as long as Ashes team enforce and ban any all hack user and very strict on this. Because any game with is player vs player.... call of duty, battlefront star wars, division....

Will always be some player trying cheat system and hack.

Enforcement need to be very strong and swift and not fall for " false positive " lies

Balrog21

and the release date has just been set back till August...go figure...

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