That dwarf hitbox though..

So hear me out. The dwarf looked awesome in the alpha one early preview. However, who else is concerned about that hitbox in a system which will at least be somewhat action combat? I can just imagine the struggle of trying to aim at that little guy dodging around.

I'm assuming that he will in fact be harder to hit, so will that be compensated by having a shorter reach in melee?

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Wandering Mist

It's definitely an interesting point and something I'd like to see asked at the next Q&A.

voidshadow

As a racial trait, they might have higher physical stats but low move speed. Though that is looking a little like Tyrion lannister size.

Noaani

Based on what Steven has said he considers action combat to include, I wouldn't be surprised if most action combat attacks involve positioning a reticle or similar at the ground rather than aiming at the body of our intended targets.

This may not be the case, but if it is, it does allow for varying sizes of player characters without any advantage or disadvantage.

mcstackerson

I hope they don't put too much thought into it. Let races be different.

In games I have played where there were different sized races, I have seen devs make smaller races' hitboxes slightly bigger than their model and bigger races slightly smaller than the model. I've also seen larger races get stuff like more reach on their melee attacks.

Magic Man

Yes, we still don't have an answer for that and they've said they are working on a solution - back in early 2019 😅

Damokles

Well, i would say that this is why they need the Alpha and Beta stages dont they?
To test out new approaches to problems like this one.

Plateau

In APOC weren't the collision meshes the same as the graphical models? In other words, pixel-perfect?

Obviously, that's going to have to change, but I think it shows that Intrepid are willing to push for more realistic hitboxes rather than giving everyone the same, simple, cylindrical hitbox.

rodzor

If they have lower hitboxes then there has to be give and take elsewhere in their kits, for balance ofc, im sure they have thought of this, but we will see soon!

Blink2

Maybe that's just another aspect of the race that encourages certain classes to use them more effectively.

Nagash

Why must we balance every little thing, people forget this is an RPG game, of course, it's going to have quirks. if you want a 100% balanced game then go play something else

Ventharien

As long as they stay to their principle of risk reward, then it'll be an advantage offset by some disadvantage, which is just fine.

GrizzlyChips

I'd say balance is pretty important in a game with a key pillar of "meaningful conflict". Apex Legends (which I realize is not a MMO) patched this issue by giving the smaller characters less defense/health, while the larger characters had more defense/health.

Atama

I’m all good with their smaller hit box if in return they can’t make critical attacks to the head on regular size enemies because they can’t reach that high.

Aundrew

The dwarves actually look pretty small, almost half the size of a human, I would of expected a head more of height.

Noaani

Nagash wrote: »

Why must we balance every little thing, people forget this is an RPG game, of course, it's going to have quirks. if you want a 100% balanced game then go play something else

The main reason for this would be because we don't want the world over run by dwarves - which is exactly what would happen if their hitbox were significantly smaller, and if that made a difference in PvP.

Sarevok

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Why must we balance every little thing, people forget this is an RPG game, of course, it's going to have quirks. if you want a 100% balanced game then go play something else

The main reason for this would be because we don't want the world over run by dwarves - which is exactly what would happen if their hitbox were significantly smaller, and if that made a difference in PvP.

Yeah competitive PvPers would definitely utilize this feature. I was already joking in my guild's discord that healers and rogues should probably roll dwarf for this exact reason.

Noaani

Sarevok wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Why must we balance every little thing, people forget this is an RPG game, of course, it's going to have quirks. if you want a 100% balanced game then go play something else

The main reason for this would be because we don't want the world over run by dwarves - which is exactly what would happen if their hitbox were significantly smaller, and if that made a difference in PvP.

Yeah competitive PvPers would definitely utilize this feature. I was already joking in my guild's discord that healers and rogues should probably roll dwarf for this exact reason.

It wouldn't just be competitive PvP'ers, it would be almost everyone.

Even if you are not keen on PvP, in Ashes, you are still someones target. Best making that target as hard to hit as you can, especially if you are not in to PvP.

Nagash

I miss the old days where

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Why must we balance every little thing, people forget this is an RPG game, of course, it's going to have quirks. if you want a 100% balanced game then go play something else

The main reason for this would be because we don't want the world over run by dwarves - which is exactly what would happen if their hitbox were significantly smaller, and if that made a difference in PvP.

I know you are right but it just hurts my soul that is the way people play. *sigh* I miss the old days

Noaani

Nagash wrote: »

I miss the old days where

noaani wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Why must we balance every little thing, people forget this is an RPG game, of course, it's going to have quirks. if you want a 100% balanced game then go play something else

The main reason for this would be because we don't want the world over run by dwarves - which is exactly what would happen if their hitbox were significantly smaller, and if that made a difference in PvP.

I know you are right but it just hurts my soul that is the way people play. *sigh* I miss the old days

Despite the fact that I know I would roll a dwarf if the advantage was that big, I miss them as well.

Damokles

If they mase the dwarven hitbox that small, then they should also reduce their running speed and max stamina.
Remember, dwarfs are only dangerous over small distances. They are sprinters, no runners!

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