Vassal Nodes?

I'm not sure if this has been asked or answered before but, is there a set number of vassal nodes a parent node can have? Can a level six node have all of the immediate nodes as level five vassals? Could those level five node then have their surrounding nodes as level four vassals? How deep does this go? Could one node theoretically take over the whole of the map?

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Noaani

Moseph wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm asking about.

This is exactly what I said in my first post in this thread. And my second.

If node 5 is a vassal of node 6, then all vassals of node 5 are also cassals of node 6 - regarsleas of whether they are in node 6's direct ZoI - because as soon as node 5 becomes a vassal of node 6, node 5's ZoI effectively becomes node 6's ZoI.

Basically, nodes can have more than one parent.

Jahlon

Jahlon runs to the ring steel chair in hand to back up his TAG TEAM CHAMPION OF THE WORLD Unknown

Nodes being locked out at level 1 is a thing. It got a little confusing with one of the Know your Node articles, but we got that cleared up. You will notice that the comment directed to me. Unfortunately you guys cannot see the entire conversation because it happened in the content creator channel which is locked to only Content Creators.

However, Steven and I have a very good working relationship when it comes to the educational part of Ashes, so when a major topic comes under dispute, he usually listens, and then says either yes you are right, no you are wrong, or I'm not going to tell you that yet.

There are two different mechanics being discussed here. The vassal system and the lockout system.

It is correct that the Vassal System does not begin until Level 3. A level 2 node does not enslave a Level 1 Node. This just doesn't happen. With the level 3 node comes government and with government becomes that Vassal Parent relationship. Now, it should be noted that yes a Level 1 or Level 2 node can be a Vassal Node to a level 3 parent, its just a Level 2 Node cannot have Vassals.

It is also correct that a Level 1 Node blocks out all neighboring Level 0 nodes from making the transition from Level 0 to Level 1. Until that first Level 1 node hits level 2, none of its neighbors can hit level 1.

Even when that happens, there are bits and pieces that have to happen, races are on to see which nodes can reach level 1 first. When that next node hits level 1, it will begin blocking out its neighbors from hitting level 1.

If you want to dig into more you can visit the Ashes 101 website on the topic https://www.ashes101.com/nodes

or skip right to Part I of the Ashes 101 Nodes Series:

https://youtu.be/RGdZLAUNfR0

If you have any questions @ me or hit me up on Discord.

Lex

I agree with @Jahlon and @unknownsystemerror on this. Steven clarified that neighboring nodes of any stage can lock out their neighbor's advancement, not just Vassal nodes. This is what they intend to do in Alpha-1 testing at least. We'll have to wait and see how that works out.

The wiki article now includes Steven's clarfication:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Vassal_nodes

Caeryl

Jahlon wrote: »

Jahlon runs to the ring steel chair in hand to back up his TAG TEAM CHAMPION OF THE WORLD Unknown

Nodes being locked out at level 1 is a thing. It got a little confusing with one of the Know your Node articles, but we got that cleared up. You will notice that the comment directed to me. Unfortunately you guys cannot see the entire conversation because it happened in the content creator channel which is locked to only Content Creators.

However, Steven and I have a very good working relationship when it comes to the educational part of Ashes, so when a major topic comes under dispute, he usually listens, and then says either yes you are right, no you are wrong, or I'm not going to tell you that yet.

There are two different mechanics being discussed here. The vassal system and the lockout system.

It is correct that the Vassal System does not begin until Level 3. A level 2 node does not enslave a Level 1 Node. This just doesn't happen. With the level 3 node comes government and with government becomes that Vassal Parent relationship. Now, it should be noted that yes a Level 1 or Level 2 node can be a Vassal Node to a level 3 parent, its just a Level 2 Node cannot have Vassals.

It is also correct that a Level 1 Node blocks out all neighboring Level 0 nodes from making the transition from Level 0 to Level 1. Until that first Level 1 node hits level 2, none of its neighbors can hit level 1.

Even when that happens, there are bits and pieces that have to happen, races are on to see which nodes can reach level 1 first. When that next node hits level 1, it will begin blocking out its neighbors from hitting level 1.

If you want to dig into more you can visit the Ashes 101 website on the topic https://www.ashes101.com/nodes

or skip right to Part I of the Ashes 101 Nodes Series: https://youtu.be/RGdZLAUNfR0

If you have any questions @ me or hit me up on Discord.

Ok awesome, thank you for clarifying for sure. Also if you get the chance to bring it up to him, maybe suggest the official articles clarify that the lockouts start at lvl1?

@Jahlon Do you happen to know if sieging, or any kind of node destruction, is possible from outside the node in the case of neighbors not wanting that first lvl1 node to be the biggestbaddest node for the area? Or will players just have to let the node atrophy down to lvl0 again?

unknownsystemerror

In the case of nodes under level 3 atrophy is the only mechanic that has been put out there so far. Good news is that with the amount of exp from 0 to 1 to 2 to 3 being just a number of hours in the last info released, the atrophy may be similar. What would be extremely hard to police is cutting that node off from all experience gains. Since there isn't a shiny border that tells you where one node ends and the next begins (they have said there may be terrain or other hints) you might be in the wrong node even when you are grinding to put exp into the desired one. And as always, remains to be tweaked during testing to hit the metrics and flavor they want.

Jahlon

Caeryl wrote: »

@Jahlon Do you happen to know if sieging, or any kind of node destruction, is possible from outside the node in the case of neighbors not wanting that first lvl1 node to be the biggestbaddest node for the area? Or will players just have to let the node atrophy down to lvl0 again?

So there is no way to destroy a Level 1 or Level 2 Node. You can prevent a Node from reaching those levels by disrupting it, but if you want a node somewhere and there is a level 1 node in the way you have to force it into Atrophy.

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