Corruption System and Streamers/Mass Griefing (Solution)

Had a heated argument over how constant pks would affect streamers. However, in the lengthy and somewhat meaningless argument, i did get a pretty good solution to the problem, that I admit, is far less intrusive and more acceptable than the ones i proposed. The idea is to re-spawn players randomly on the world after they are killed. This would prevent mass griefing as it would be difficult to traverse a large distance in this game, especially at lower levels.

Sure it might be annoying to get tped elsewhere while ur in the middle of a quest, but as long as the region ur tped to has relevant quests for ur level, it isn't as much of an issue.

I don't know if this has already been implemented, but if it hasn't yet been done, then hey, at least my time wasn't wasted but if it is, then great, now i know.

If u want to read the mess, here u go:

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/44758/corruption-system/p1

EDIT - A system similar to this exists where the corrupt player is tped instead. Just a slight addition where players that assist the pk also gain corruption will solve the problem as then multiple players will be tped at once if they gang up on someone. (Note: It should take something like 2 or 3 pk assists to gain the corruption level of an actual pk)

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Nagash

stop making new thread and stick to the already established one for the love of god

Songcaller

Spawns are random spawns for Corrupted. Why couldn't you just have used the other thread though?

Xrael

Nagash wrote: »

stop making new thread and stick to the already established one for the love of god

Neurath wrote: »

Spawns are random spawns for Corrupted. Why couldn't you just have used the other thread though?

Way too long and pointless. I don't want someone to read like 3 pages of pointless arguments before they get to the solution. I'd gladly delete the discussion if i could.

Songcaller

Don't worry, people have followed the old thread and would just see the new messages since last viewed.

If you want to have a decent thread, do research before opening a thread. Some threads are more popular than others. Besides that, I see no reason to continue this thread.

Nagash

CaptainChuck wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

stop making new thread and stick to the already established one for the love of god

Neurath wrote: »

Spawns are random spawns for Corrupted. Why couldn't you just have used the other thread though?

Way too long and pointless. I don't want someone to read like 3 pages of pointless arguments before they get to the solution. I'd gladly delete the discussion if i could.

and you have the solution? trust me when I say I have seen every ones "solution" to the corruption system and all I can say is let the devs do their jobs

Xrael

Neurath wrote: »

Spawns are random spawns for Corrupted. Why couldn't you just have used the other thread though?

Wait....really? This is pretty bad because, again, it relies on u to be corrupted to stop the mass griefing. We don't know exactly how many kills/assists it takes to be corrupted, but it would definitely be more than 1. So again, it comes back to the whole point of a massive amount of trolls griefing and that it would take a long amount of time and multiple deaths of the individual, before all of them are teleported elsewhere.

HOWEVER, this has an easy fix. Just make assists give u corruption as well. So multiple players will be tped if they gang up on one person repeatedly.

Wandering Mist

This honestly sounds like a solution to a problem that may not even exist yet.

Xrael

Wandering Mist wrote: »

This honestly sounds like a solution to a problem that may not even exist yet.

True, it definitely isn't a problem that exists or is going to exist for a long time. But it is a problem that will arise close to release/Beta.

Songcaller

I'm a believer of Consensual PvP and also a Bounty Hunter. You alluded in the other post of griefers killing someone repeatedly. Some Corruptions will disappear after one death, other corruptions will linger until multiple deaths. In Ashes lots of people will be grouped together. You are effectively wanting an exploit system. If players attack a non-combatant they will be corrupted if they kill a player.

It is not fair to corrupt a whole group because if most of the group are 'normal' players, they shouldn't be collaborators in 'murder' or done for 'assisted murder'. If people are in a group for PvP they will most likely be doing PvP with meaning like an Arena or Guild War Objectives.

The systems will be tested and corrupted players have reduced combat ability. If someone is killed repeatedly by griefers, it shows how bad the player is, not how bad the system is. You are allowed to fight back.

Xrael

Neurath wrote: »

I'm a believer of Consensual PvP and also a Bounty Hunter. You alluded in the other post of griefers killing someone repeatedly. Some Corruptions will disappear after one death, other corruptions will linger until multiple deaths. In Ashes lots of people will be grouped together. You are effectively wanting an exploit system. If players attack a non-combatant they will be corrupted if they kill a player.

It is not fair to corrupt a whole group because if most of the group are 'normal' players, they shouldn't be collaborators in 'murder' or done for 'assisted murder'. If people are in a group for PvP they will most likely be doing PvP with meaning like an Arena or Guild War Objectives.

The systems will be tested and corrupted players have reduced combat ability. If someone is killed repeatedly by griefers, it shows how bad the player is, not how bad the system is. You are allowed to fight back.

Again, like i said, ur not dealing with single digit griefers here. If it is just a few, you can easily fight back. We're talking about multiple.

Also pk assists should give lesser corruption that pk itself. So it should take 2 or 3 pk assists to reach the corruption gained from a pk itself. I've edited my post to include this info.

Songcaller

If there are different levels of corruption gained for various roles in a PK, it means griefers will group up and grief in groups to minimise the corruption levels. I do not understand your fascination with pinpointing certain players over other players.

It is true, you could be griefed by a group of players, but if they are active combatants and a player is slain then all will receive the relevant corruption.

The system is designed to punish and constrict. It is not supposed to be an in-depth system which allows players to exploit the system. You would receive more corruption for killing a lower player but in terms of the current system, it is good on paper. When NDA lifts then PI (Phoenix Initiates) can explain how the implementation works and the benefits and flaws.

Noaani

CaptainChuck wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

stop making new thread and stick to the already established one for the love of god

Neurath wrote: »

Spawns are random spawns for Corrupted. Why couldn't you just have used the other thread though?

Way too long and pointless. I don't want someone to read like 3 pages of pointless arguments before they get to the solution. I'd gladly delete the discussion if i could.

That is what discussions are, lots of people putting in ideas to come to a better conclusion than one person would by themselves.

When you take you the discussion part of it, the conslusion means far less.

Xrael

Neurath wrote: »

If there are different levels of corruption gained for various roles in a PK, it means griefers will group up and grief in groups to minimise the corruption levels. I do not understand your fascination with pinpointing certain players over other players.

It is true, you could be griefed by a group of players, but if they are active combatants and a player is slain then all will receive the relevant corruption.

The system is designed to punish and constrict. It is not supposed to be an in-depth system which allows players to exploit the system. You would receive more corruption for killing a lower player but in terms of the current system, it is good on paper. When NDA lifts then PI (Phoenix Initiates) can explain how the implementation works and the benefits and flaws.

Basically what we have to do is wait and see. Alpha is coming soon, so lets just wait.

Xrael

noaani wrote: »

CaptainChuck wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

stop making new thread and stick to the already established one for the love of god

Neurath wrote: »

Spawns are random spawns for Corrupted. Why couldn't you just have used the other thread though?

Way too long and pointless. I don't want someone to read like 3 pages of pointless arguments before they get to the solution. I'd gladly delete the discussion if i could.

That is what discussions are, lots of people putting in ideas to come to a better conclusion than one person would by themselves.

When you take you the discussion part of it, the conslusion means far less.

Fair enough. Personally, however, I wouldn't want to read 2 lengthy pages of discussion in order to find out the solution. Especially 2 pages of an argument like that.

HazardNumberSeven

CaptainChuck wrote: »

Had a heated argument over how constant pks would affect streamers. However, in the lengthy and somewhat meaningless argument, i did get a pretty good solution to the problem, that I admit, is far less intrusive and more acceptable than the ones i proposed. The idea is to re-spawn players randomly on the world after they are killed. This would prevent mass griefing as it would be difficult to traverse a large distance in this game, especially at lower levels.

Sure it might be annoying to get tped elsewhere while ur in the middle of a quest, but as long as the region ur tped to has relevant quests for ur level, it isn't as much of an issue.

I don't know if this has already been implemented, but if it hasn't yet been done, then hey, at least my time wasn't wasted but if it is, then great, now i know.

If u want to read the mess, here u go:

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/44758/corruption-system/p1

EDIT - A system similar to this exists where the corrupt player is tped instead. Just a slight addition where players that assist the pk also gain corruption will solve the problem as then multiple players will be tped at once if they gang up on someone. (Note: It should take something like 2 or 3 pk assists to gain the corruption level of an actual pk)

You're describing corruption. We literally tried explaining it to you through-out the entire thread and you kept calling us idiots, essentially.

Noaani

CaptainChuck wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

CaptainChuck wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

stop making new thread and stick to the already established one for the love of god

Neurath wrote: »

Spawns are random spawns for Corrupted. Why couldn't you just have used the other thread though?

Way too long and pointless. I don't want someone to read like 3 pages of pointless arguments before they get to the solution. I'd gladly delete the discussion if i could.

That is what discussions are, lots of people putting in ideas to come to a better conclusion than one person would by themselves.

When you take you the discussion part of it, the conslusion means far less.

Fair enough. Personally, however, I wouldn't want to read 2 lengthy pages of discussion in order to find out the solution. Especially 2 pages of an argument like that.

2 pages is nothing.

And people don't read the whole thing to find where the discussion is at - they either start at the beginning and only reply to the OP, or they read the end to see where the discussion is at, decide if they want to join, and then most will read the discussion to get themselves fully cought up.

Welcome to how forums work. There is reading involved.

Mistrix

How is that a problem? If if you PK someone, u will get " karma points " and if u will get killed while u have karma, u will lose gear. Question now. Do u want to lose your precious gear because u killed streamer? DOnt forget that streamer will have guards aswell aka real ppl, and they will help him to kill u if u PK'ed him.
I played Lineage, and bassicly, u dont want to PK anyone, because losing gear is sooooooo sad

Jahlon

The corruption system isn't broken.

Stop trying to fix it.

After 3 years of debate we have identified one thing in the corruption system that needs tweaking. Steven has said they want to test it as written in Alpha, and then will address the glaring concern the community has.

Noaani

Jahlon wrote: »

After 3 years of debate we have identified one thing in the corruption system that needs tweaking. Steven has said they want to test it as written in Alpha, and then will address the glaring concern the community has.

Was that only three years of debate on the corruption system?

Felt a lot longer than that...

It was good debate, productive debate, and is the reason most of the more seasoned posters on these forums are all on the same page in terms of corruption. It just felt like a lot more than 3 years.

Aardvark

Jahlon wrote: »

The corruption system isn't broken.

Stop trying to fix it.

After 3 years of debate we have identified one thing in the corruption system that needs tweaking. Steven has said they want to test it as written in Alpha, and then will address the glaring concern the community has.

How does the corruption system address waiting for them to pull a hard mob then ranging them in the back down to low health then running off and letting the mob kill them. How does it stop them from doing this to someone for hrs so they can’t get that quest mini boss as since the mob kills them and not you there would be no corruption right ?

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