What worries you the most about the project?

Even if we are a small minority of the future playerbase, maybe we can give some insight on what worries us. In this way, atleast we made our voices heard so the devs can consider our concerns. I'll start:

1. Im afraid the game will feel shallow and the progression too linear because the IS are stressed to finish the progress and won't have time to make it gameplay deep. interesting and engaging.

2. Im afraid the classes will be to similar in an impossible persuit of balance. I don't want every class/spec to have a stun, an AOE heal, a cleance ability. I want unique toolkits and diverse classes. Even if the cost is slight imbalance.

3. Im afraid PvP and PVE gear will be RNG based. I love working hard in PVP to earn/craft/purchase my gear pieces one by one. Working hard for a month to finaly earn/craft/purchase that staff feels amazing. Randomly getting it after 1 day or 1 year from pure casino RNG feels like utter dogshit.

4. Im afraid crafted gear will be obsolete and useless in comparison to gear you get from bosses. Crafted gear should have the potential to be just as good as any other top tier gear.

5. Im very afraid a stale meta will form, full of cookie cutter builds that are superior to other builds. For example a two-handed fighter/rogue being statisticly and numericly superior in almost everyway over a fighter/mage.

What are you worried about?

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XerayReaper

Lincoln Hawk wrote: »

Combat - Obviously the biggest selling point of any game, Im not going to judge it too much off of pre-alpha footage, Im just hoping it will be easy to learn hard to master , and fluid.

One of my biggest worries is Intrepid sticking to their vision, I already see people coming in, trying to push an agenda to suit their playstyle. Its especially annoying when there are so many mmo's out there that have done just that, and these players get a game changed for the worst to hop on to the next game.

Classes- Just hoping that the class system offers alot of diversity and the augments truly change the base classes.

Seeing that IS, but mainly Steven, isn't budging on the core design of AoC; I'm not really all that worried about this becoming another WoW. He's stated many times he's tired of how many of the MMOs we have on the market now are utter shit, and follow the same design WoW popularized. This is for the players who enjoyed games like SWG, Lineage 2, really any sandbox type MMO, but there are themepark elements in there as well for players that are fond of it.

They're their time with this game, and want it to be a ready as possible when it eventually launches. Listening to the community, and making decisions that will benefit the core design of the game. I'm sure more things will be fleshed out or even tweaked once Alpha-1 drops and people get their hands on it, and HOPEFULLY give GOOD feedback.

I will say this though, my biggest worry is they continue to work on this game when it's good to go for launch, keeping it still in a Beta state or such. I know they want to make it meet their needs, but I hope they don't end up getting that perfectionist mentality on it; we don't want another Star Citizen.

Cankiie

hazardnumberseven wrote: »

Blizzard does not provide a 'cosmetic only' cash-shop. You can buy character boosts and gold as well. It doesn't get much more p2w than that.

Very true.

Hence why I spoke in regards to cosmetic cash shops only, in which blizzard have the right idea. Mounts and mini-pets are cool enough to sell as a cosmetic option in cash shops. Armour, clothing and such are not; those should be 100% available through gameplay, be it dungeons, raids, crafting or whatever a MMORPG will include.

I generally disagree with the boosts, here is to hoping they'll remove it with Shadowlands when leveling is going to be faster than it is right now, thus marking the boosts completely unnecessary. One thing is for sure, blizzard is not using the cash shop or creating a game around it for it to sell; which I applaud them for.

As for selling gold. I do wish to see a solution that does not provide a double edged sword to dealing with gold sellers. Blizzard sells gold in the form of the WoW token, true, but they have also largely gotten rid of gold sellers. But I don't like this selling of gold either.

Mount sand mini-pets, I want a cosmetic cash shop to be left with those two things only. Granted, with mounts and mini-pets still also being available to be earned just by playing the game.

But at the end of the day, I will never truly trust a game that relies on it's cash shop to earn an income. It has been proven, and it will most certainly be, disastrous, and WoW will remain the top MMORPG due to it's game not revolving around the cash shop for income.

Game developers of a game that revolves around a cash shop for income, will not be incentivized to keep a game that'll be engaging and fun, the cash shop will need to sell.

forsh

I played EverCrack from 2000-2007 and WoW from 2008 until last year. Both of those games have changed into completely different games that make me regret my time investment. I've been looking for an MMORPG similar to the Golden Age MMORPG-type like early EverQuest and World of Warcraft. I've been following Pantheon since 2015 but it almost seems that will never be released, New World is pushed back into 2021...and I just ran into Ashes of Creation. I'm new here but my immediate worry is that this will be an MMORPG that never gets released because almost no large-scale MMORPGs are released anymore and the excuse I always see in communities is that World of Warcraft killed everything else. I disagree. World of Warcraft died years ago and nothing rose up for players to move over to. There are millions of disenfranchised players that just had nowhere to move to that was worth their time. Hopefully this MMORPG doesn't disappoint. If you build it, they will come....

HazardNumberSeven

forsh wrote: »

I played EverCrack from 2000-2007 and WoW from 2008 until last year. Both of those games have changed into completely different games that make me regret my time investment. I've been looking for an MMORPG similar to the Golden Age MMORPG-type like early EverQuest and World of Warcraft. I've been following Pantheon since 2015 but it almost seems that will never be released, New World is pushed back into 2021...and I just ran into Ashes of Creation. I'm new here but my immediate worry is that this will be an MMORPG that never gets released because almost no large-scale MMORPGs are released anymore and the excuse I always see in communities is that World of Warcraft killed everything else. I disagree. World of Warcraft died years ago and nothing rose up for players to move over to. There are millions of disenfranchised players that just had nowhere to move to that was worth their time. Hopefully this MMORPG doesn't disappoint. If you build it, they will come....

Welcome, brother. Wallow with us in pain, and hype.

I'm in a similar boat. Ultima Online and Everquest were my jam, and once they changed(died, to me) I've been wandering the gaming world, lost and unsatisfied for about 15 years now.

The PvP of UO and Everquest is what I loved. On EQ I played Sullon Zek. No lvl restriction, good vs evil vs neutral, 1 item dropped on death if an honorable kill. Loved it.

I had some brief glimpse of happiness in ArcheAge.
But the p2w aspect disgusted me and the god awful lag made PvP unbearable (no OCE servers, yuck)
... Also wasn't a fan of the art-style but it sort of grew on me after I found some really nice costumes!

SittingDuck

In reply to OP, I'm concerned about class balance. With so many potential combinations of archetypes, I have my worries.

Also concerned about lack of damage meters.

Cold 0ne FTB

My only concern with this game is if the developers have gotten too caught up in their own hype and are trying to do too much for the launch of this game. I worry that they become overwhelmed by the magnitude or run out of funding trying to create all these systems.

SittingDuck

Cold 0ne FTB wrote: »

My only concern with this game is if the developers have gotten too caught up in their own hype and are trying to do too much for the launch of this game. I worry that they become overwhelmed by the magnitude or run out of funding trying to create all these systems.

I'm comforted by the fact that many of the devs on the team are veterans from respected studios. If they were a team of new devs, I would be concerned.

Loyheta

I'm afraid cash shop prices are going to be too high and I'm not going to buy them on principle. I want to buy things because I already have lifetime subscription but I don't think anything should be above 10 bucks

Fathym

I'm afraid that the cosmetic only cash shop will slowly take away from the visual progression present in the game. One of the core aspect that makes many people want to invest time into an mmo is the visual progression as they get stronger. If the cash shop cosmetics turn out to look better than the in-game armors, that would ruin a major incentive for many players.
I'm also a bit worried about the combat because ApoC was mediocre at best.

Loyheta

Azryil wrote: »

armando wrote: »

I'm worried the game won't come out and quite frankly I had forgotten about it until I saw Asmongold talking about it in a new WoW livestream highlight video of his, so I came back to see if I still had my account.

I really hope that guy doesn't decide to play and bring his rabid cult of 12 year olds with him....

Those people are in all games already. I think Asmongold is a very intelligent guy who has great insight on things. I'm pretty disheartened to see people acting like this.

If any large streamer joins this game they will bring with them a bunch of toxic people. It is what happens, trolls go to large targets to get the most attention. If someone becomes a big streamer from streaming this game... they will become a target as well. If he decides to play this offstream or on his alternate streaming channel it won't be that bad.

Just really want to emphasize how disappointed with how xenophobic people are being. Especially to people that are bringing a lot of positive attention to the game and helping with the funding.

Brocknar

I used to be a huge fan of Wildstar. The game had a true chance of being the next big MMO. Animations looked amazing, the action combat felt great in Beta and the company (Carbine) was very close with the community.

Then the launch happened: game crashes, lagging servers, tons of bugs and the "hardcooore" endgame made everyone quit.

This is my biggest fear. Do not release a game that is frustrating due to bugs or lag. It will fail, regardless how amazing the features might be.

akabear

These are personal opinions only

Three dimensional areas
places that only provide active content on the ground plane
would like to see cities especially with active content / reasons to go to upper floors and sub-floor to provide visual activity beyond the horizontal plane

City expanses
As cities get larger it becomes progressively difficult to provide reasoning / rationale for all the buildings within. Some other games place key shops. npcs in close proximity and those towns become the key hubs for game play and the towns that are tiresome to run from a to b become ghost towns. And nothing worse than key npc / shops etc at the far end of the towns

UI
A UI that is not to aesthetic personal preference is always hard.. strongly want user friendly tools to change and/or be able to download some else`s mod.

Lack of People
That has been the killer in past MMO`s where ended up leaving as the player base shrunk. Hopping for highly active planned content both though the dynamics of the game itself, which hopefully plays a predominate part, and developed content.

Architecture
This is a very personal one, some of the cities and planning of the AAA title appear to have used architects on board to plan and layout their cities so they make sense to the land, their interrelationships and cohesive overall. You can have a style and still adapt, but there are currently elements that subtly detract, such as walls that are not as thick as the elements that are expressed externally, impossible structural configurations.

Sounds
NW has some jaw dropping sound effects, a league above many of the older MMO`s.

Aardvark

Brocknar wrote: »

I used to be a huge fan of Wildstar. The game had a true chance of being the next big MMO. Animations looked amazing, the action combat felt great in Beta and the company (Carbine) was very close with the community.

Then the launch happened: game crashes, lagging servers, tons of bugs and the "hardcooore" endgame made everyone quit.

This is my biggest fear. Do not release a game that is frustrating due to bugs or lag. It will fail, regardless how amazing the features might be.

As someone who played wildstar I can tell you many quit because of the keying system and the result it had on the community...making everyone get gold speed run on every max level dungeon where if a single person dies noone gets gold...sounded good so you could not be carried...but it made it so anytime someone died those looking to key would bail making so others could not even complete for gear. Also if everyone wanted to key and anyone died you had to bail and start over. Anyone who did get keyed was so sick of that dungeon they never wanted to see it again even to run guildies. It litereally made getting keyed far harder than what you were keying for. And many classes had 1 dungeon their class was bad at leaving tons of good players with gold on every dungeon except 1 and noone wanted to take them in that last one because they know your class sucked at Boss X in dungeon Y and if you died noone would get gold. And yes I say this as someone who did manage to get gold in them all.

TheRealJakeman

Brocknar wrote: »

I used to be a huge fan of Wildstar. The game had a true chance of being the next big MMO. Animations looked amazing, the action combat felt great in Beta and the company (Carbine) was very close with the community.

Then the launch happened: game crashes, lagging servers, tons of bugs and the "hardcooore" endgame made everyone quit.

This is my biggest fear. Do not release a game that is frustrating due to bugs or lag. It will fail, regardless how amazing the features might be.

I don't think this will be the case. To be fair to your point, launch was an absolute nightmare. I remember the frustration of trying to log in for hours at a time and the development studio posting videos on their social medias of champagne toasts for a successful launch. I don't know if I've ever felt more of a disconnect between a dev studio and a player-base.

I think most of the issues already stated here like lack of players, classes are not fun, PvP getting in the way of PvE, etc. those will be taken care of in due time. Asmongold (regardless of your opinion of him), Lazy Peon, and a few others have given a big boost to the community and number of players involved. I think we need to have a little more faith, be a little less skeptical and harsh. I am of the opinion Intrepid's development team is very, very aware of our concerns.

Kriddon

Nagash wrote: »

Azryil wrote: »

armando wrote: »

I'm worried the game won't come out and quite frankly I had forgotten about it until I saw Asmongold talking about it in a new WoW livestream highlight video of his, so I came back to see if I still had my account.

I really hope that guy doesn't decide to play and bring his rabid cult of 12 year olds with him....

agreed, the last thing we need is the new age horde

While writing this I think I may have gone a bit of topic let me know if you agree.

I mean if the game is good literally every single mmo CC (Content Creator) is going to start playing and making videos on it(likely since they, like us think most current mmos are lackluster). I've already seen so many CCs talk about how they are cautiously optimistic and are interested in trying the game. And if the game is really good and sticks around for awhile new MMO CCs will be born. There used to be and still are a bunch of CCs who only make content about WOW.

I'm interested in what negatives they will bring to the game. Since if you aren't directly around them I'm not sure what distress they could bring to the general populace (especially if dont play on the servers that bigger ones do) that an organized guild couldn't do. I mean sure they can easily organize and will get free stuff but imo who cares. As for the 12 year olds Asmon could bring. I mean lots of young people will play the game especially if it's any good. Idk if the average young person that watches his stream is any worse then the ones you see in every other game soooooooo........

Personally I'm more concerned about what the people in the game will do to them especially in an open world PvP game. I'm thinking that a bunch will quit do to being camped 24/7 since I can see a guild aptly called gankers taking turns killing streamers so get around the corruptions system. Personally I think Streamers make the game more interesting. I think it will be cool to see their armies clash, the drama that will unfold, the new people they will bring to the game. But maybe I'm totally wrong on this I'm interested to hear what you guys think. Have any of you had bad experiences with a streamer/CC before?

Hope this doesn't sound rude or anything I'm just interested in what your concerns about streamers are.

BTW Nagash its cool to see your still here. I don't check the forums much but when I do it's always nice to see you roleplaying a Skeleton lord. I usually smile or giggle after reading some of your comments. I know that one month we had with all that necro gear and that had you pumped. I Hope to see you in game some time with it on.

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HazardNumberSeven

My only concern is the game being changed by pressure from all the people who want it to be a PvE title/instanced (safe) content/WoW/etc .. slowly whittling away at player freedom and agency and the immersion of the world, suggesting things that one by one lead us down the path of becoming (just like every single other MMO in existance) more like WoW.

Traveling is too hard, I want fast travel waaaah.
I want flying mounts, waaaah.
I have the IQ of a stupid rock and somehow relate non-consensual PvP to "griefing" waaah!
It's not fair people can attack me during pve (safe time), pve content should be instanced waah!
I don't want people to attack me unless I permit it/it's a fair fight, strategy and immersion are griefing waaah!
I don't ever want to lose anything waaah!
This MMO isn't singleplayer enough, waaah!
So on and so on ..

Every title I've followed through development goes the same way. Every. Single. Time. The carebears and the entitled show up and demand changes, there's A LOT of them so a developer gets greedy/worried and makes those changes, and then no one plays because it's just another shitty clone of a game that already existed somewhere.

Obviously, I still have confidence in Steven. He inspires it, even, with the way he talks just like one of us! He's been there and he knows what we want, but it's been SO LONG. It's been 15+ years of utter failure after utter failure, lies, disappointments.. It's so hard not to be jaded and incredibly cynical and even .. angry. Totally disillusioned with the entire gaming industry.

Steven is shaping to be my favourite game dev of all time and making a game I'd happily live in and play religiously. Just hearing him speak about the game and MMOs makes me emotional, because I don't remember a time one of US with our values and beliefs was the one in charge.

...

But the worry is still there and I think always will be, after what the MMORPG genre has been through.

Lincoln Hawk

hazardnumberseven wrote: »

My only concern is the game being changed by pressure from all the people who want it to be a PvE title/instanced (safe) content/WoW/etc .. slowly whittling away at player freedom and agency and the immersion of the world, suggesting things that one by one lead us down the path of becoming (just like every single other MMO in existance) more like WoW.

Traveling is too hard, I want fast travel waaaah.
I want flying mounts, waaaah.
I have the IQ of a stupid rock and somehow relate non-consensual PvP to "griefing" waaah!
It's not fair people can attack me during pve (safe time), pve content should be instanced waah!
I don't want people to attack me unless I permit it/it's a fair fight, strategy and immersion are griefing waaah!
I don't ever want to lose anything waaah!
This MMO isn't singleplayer enough, waaah!
So on and so on ..

Every title I've followed through development goes the same way. Every. Single. Time. The carebears and the entitled show up and demand changes, there's A LOT of them so a developer gets greedy/worried and makes those changes, and then no one plays because it's just another shitty clone of a game that already existed somewhere.

Obviously, I still have confidence in Steven. He inspires it, even, with the way he talks just like one of us! He's been there and he knows what we want, but it's been SO LONG. It's been 15+ years of utter failure after utter failure, lies, disappointments.. It's so hard not to be jaded and incredibly cynical and even .. angry. Totally disillusioned with the entire gaming industry.

Steven is shaping to be my favourite game dev of all time and making a game I'd happily live in and play religiously. Just hearing him speak about the game and MMOs makes me emotional, because I don't remember a time one of US with our values and beliefs was the one in charge.

...

But the worry is still there and I think always will be, after what the MMORPG genre has been through.

I also put this in less depth in my biggest worry, Im with you 100%.

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