Flying Mounts should be a thing that people who have animal husbandry can make/breed

I think "normal" flying mounts should be a thing that people who have animal husbandry can still make/breed. I understand that you want big epic dragon flying mounts be an exclusive thing, that only a select few people can get, but i dont understand why us the 99%, cant/breed get just a small "normal" flying animal mount, that can be bred from the "normal" animals from across the world, while not allowing "animal husbandmen?" to breed dragons or what not. This way you can still keep the exclusivity of the big legendary dragon mounts for the few, while still be able to make "normal" animal flying mounts for the rest of us. What do you guys think?

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Nagash

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

It doesn't make him wrong about the fact that 99.9% of people will never ever have access to a flying mount.

Well we don't know the drops on that egg so we don't know the exact numbers, but even going with those numbers, so what? Not flying doesn't detract from their gameplay. 99.9% percent of people aren't in tier one well known, famous guilds. That doesn't mean they should feel slighted or irritated.

But they showed us flying mounts...now we want one...

Then you better work for it

if I wanted to go into politics to get elected I would in real life, a free for all will also be who has the most fans on their side defending them, biggest donation will also be mass guild leaders who demanded donations so they could get it. They sound like differnt things but really they are all just popularity contests and not player skill related

And? there are more ways to be a mayor of a node than elections such as the military node. If you are not going to give your all to be the best then you don't get the best gear.

winner909098

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

It doesn't make him wrong about the fact that 99.9% of people will never ever have access to a flying mount.

Well we don't know the drops on that egg so we don't know the exact numbers, but even going with those numbers, so what? Not flying doesn't detract from their gameplay. 99.9% percent of people aren't in tier one well known, famous guilds. That doesn't mean they should feel slighted or irritated.

But they showed us flying mounts...now we want one...

Then you better work for it

if I wanted to go into politics to get elected I would in real life, a free for all will also be who has the most fans on their side defending them, biggest donation will also be mass guild leaders who demanded donations so they could get it. They sound like differnt things but really they are all just popularity contests and not player skill related

that isn't true, have you read the wiki? It clearly states that divine nodes are service related, and military nodes are fighting. No amount of people can make you do infinite quests or be the best at PVP. A flying mount is great but you wont be going around saying "I wish I had a flying mount" all of the time.

Aardvark

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

It doesn't make him wrong about the fact that 99.9% of people will never ever have access to a flying mount.

Well we don't know the drops on that egg so we don't know the exact numbers, but even going with those numbers, so what? Not flying doesn't detract from their gameplay. 99.9% percent of people aren't in tier one well known, famous guilds. That doesn't mean they should feel slighted or irritated.

But they showed us flying mounts...now we want one...

Then you better work for it

if I wanted to go into politics to get elected I would in real life, a free for all will also be who has the most fans on their side defending them, biggest donation will also be mass guild leaders who demanded donations so they could get it. They sound like differnt things but really they are all just popularity contests and not player skill related

And? there are more ways to be a mayor of a node than elections such as the military node. If you are not going to give your all to be the best then you don't get the best gear.

If you read I already covered free for all...its just who has the most other people helping them be the last person standing. The guild with the most people in the free for all will almost always win as when they only turn on others there is not anything free for all about it. It's just another popularity test.

Ventharien

Really? i think it's very different. They're definitely going to have a leg up if they pursue it. That is, if their community manages to all be citizens of that node. Which would be quite a feat. Just because someone has a big following doesn't mean they're necessarily good at making gold. Or even that they have a high concentration of followers that are. Plus, this is a new game. people aren't sitting on millions of gold in some bank account. They're going to need it.

winner909098

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

It doesn't make him wrong about the fact that 99.9% of people will never ever have access to a flying mount.

Well we don't know the drops on that egg so we don't know the exact numbers, but even going with those numbers, so what? Not flying doesn't detract from their gameplay. 99.9% percent of people aren't in tier one well known, famous guilds. That doesn't mean they should feel slighted or irritated.

But they showed us flying mounts...now we want one...

Then you better work for it

if I wanted to go into politics to get elected I would in real life, a free for all will also be who has the most fans on their side defending them, biggest donation will also be mass guild leaders who demanded donations so they could get it. They sound like differnt things but really they are all just popularity contests and not player skill related

And? there are more ways to be a mayor of a node than elections such as the military node. If you are not going to give your all to be the best then you don't get the best gear.

If you read I already covered free for all...its just who has the most other people helping them be the last person standing. The guild with the most people in the free for all will almost always win as when they only turn on others there is not anything free for all about it. It's just another popularity test.

and the divine node? presumably you can do more quests if you have a guild?

Nagash

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

It doesn't make him wrong about the fact that 99.9% of people will never ever have access to a flying mount.

Well we don't know the drops on that egg so we don't know the exact numbers, but even going with those numbers, so what? Not flying doesn't detract from their gameplay. 99.9% percent of people aren't in tier one well known, famous guilds. That doesn't mean they should feel slighted or irritated.

But they showed us flying mounts...now we want one...

Then you better work for it

if I wanted to go into politics to get elected I would in real life, a free for all will also be who has the most fans on their side defending them, biggest donation will also be mass guild leaders who demanded donations so they could get it. They sound like differnt things but really they are all just popularity contests and not player skill related

And? there are more ways to be a mayor of a node than elections such as the military node. If you are not going to give your all to be the best then you don't get the best gear.

If you read I already covered free for all...its just who has the most other people helping them be the last person standing. The guild with the most people in the free for all will almost always win as when they only turn on others there is not anything free for all about it. It's just another popularity test.

Next time look up the info

Node elections occur on a monthly basis.[13][14]

Only citizens of a node may participate in its elections.[10]
Only node citizens may be elected mayor.[5]
Only one citizenship may be declared per account, per server.[5][6]
A king or queen can also become a mayor.[5]
Node governments and mayors are chosen through different methods according to the node's type.[15][8]

Divine node governments are chosen from citizens via service oriented quests that prove faith and dedication to the node.[16][15]
Economic node governments are able to be bought and sold by citizens with the most money.[16][15]
Mayors of military nodes are chosen from citizens through last man standing (gladiatorial arena style) combat.[16][17][18]
An idea currently under consideration is to have players build out a champion that they can then fight in the arena, rather then using their regular characters. These champions can be equipped with gear and skills via quests, along with materials and gold to make the champion stronger.[19]
The reason for the champion idea is because the game isn't balanced for 1v1 PvP. Utilizing champions makes arena combat more of a level playing ground.[19]
Arena style combat is instanced but spectators may be possible through an interface.[20]
Scientific node governments are elected democratically.[16][15]

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Mayors#Node_elections

Ventharien

Aardvark wrote: »

If you read I already covered free for all...its just who has the most other people helping them be the last person standing. The guild with the most people in the free for all will almost always win as when they only turn on others there is not anything free for all about it. It's just another popularity test.

Again, while this is a valid concern, we don't know how that free for all will be organized, or if there will qualifiers or something to that effect. And just because the guild has a lot of players, doesn't mean alot of those players are good, or that there aren't 15 other equally sized guilds trying to do the same thing.

Ventharien

Nagash wrote: »

Arena style combat is instanced but spectators may be possible through an interface.[20]

God i hope so. That'd be so awesome.

Nagash

Ventharien wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Arena style combat is instanced but spectators may be possible through an interface.[20]

God i hope so. That'd be so awesome.

agreed.

SittingDuck

In reply to OP, I disagree. I think it's just a personal preference thing and I prefer having flying mounts to be very rare. I want the feeling of awe and wonder when I see one or get the chance to ride one. I've played WoW since vanilla and remember the excitement I experienced when flying for the first time. That feeling has definitely gone away since they are so common now and obviously not new anymore, but we can bring the rarity of them back.

HazardNumberSeven

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

It doesn't make him wrong about the fact that 99.9% of people will never ever have access to a flying mount.

Well we don't know the drops on that egg so we don't know the exact numbers, but even going with those numbers, so what? Not flying doesn't detract from their gameplay. 99.9% percent of people aren't in tier one well known, famous guilds. That doesn't mean they should feel slighted or irritated.

But they showed us flying mounts...now we want one...

Then you better work for it

if I wanted to go into politics to get elected I would in real life, a free for all will also be who has the most fans on their side defending them, biggest donation will also be mass guild leaders who demanded donations so they could get it. They sound like differnt things but really they are all just popularity contests and not player skill related

Politics is going to be a very important part of the game and how you conduct politics is totally up to you. Every MMO you've ever played has had politics to some degree, but this game will incorporate it mechanically into the game.

If you think someone became the leader just because they got spoiled by all their friends/guild/viewers or whatever, then that itself is a really good political platform against them.. You could be in game running your campaign, discrediting the validity of the leader and showing the majority that hey, actually that's not fair and they should vote for you! ... No one is going to be so popular or powerful that they can never be defeated, because we're humans and we're greedy and we suck (lol) ...

Your enemy will always have a weakness, and a good game will allow you to exploit that weakness.

Noaani

The Vindicator wrote: »

Yes, by not wanting anything after classic, classic WoW players are by proxy, not in favor of flying mounts which came out after vanilla. By your own logic, classic WoW players are "sheeple" as well?

No, that would be your logic, not mine.

I am not the one saying that there are more people playing WoW retail than WoW classis, therefore more people like flying mounts than don't.

That is your lack of logic, not mine. You need to own your statements and all consequences of them. If you want to use subscription numbers of WoW retail over classic as a point for flying mounts, then that means you are saying that every player playing retail likes flying mounts and every player that plays classic doesn't like flying mounts. You are also saying that flying mounts are the reason people pick retail or classic.

If these statements are not true to you, then you should not be talking about players in WoW classic vs retail in regards to flying mounts, as it serves no purpose if you do not stand by those statements that you would have to hold true.

My statement that all players of WoW are sheeple is due to the simple fact that these people think WoW is worth their time to play - a notion that can't possibly be arrived at from simply playing the game and deciding yourself.

The only reason these people play WoW retail is because they want to fit in - be that with their guild, with a group of friends that also play, or with a streamer that plays WoW. There is no other reason to still be playing WoW other than this - and each of these reasons fit the definition of sheeple just fine.

Noaani

Aardvark wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Aardvark wrote: »

It doesn't make him wrong about the fact that 99.9% of people will never ever have access to a flying mount.

Well we don't know the drops on that egg so we don't know the exact numbers, but even going with those numbers, so what? Not flying doesn't detract from their gameplay. 99.9% percent of people aren't in tier one well known, famous guilds. That doesn't mean they should feel slighted or irritated.

But they showed us flying mounts...now we want one...

Then you better work for it

if I wanted to go into politics to get elected I would in real life, a free for all will also be who has the most fans on their side defending them, biggest donation will also be mass guild leaders who demanded donations so they could get it. They sound like differnt things but really they are all just popularity contests and not player skill related

You are actually correct in this.

If you are in a military node and you have more friends than anyone else, you should be able to win the FFA arena and be mayor for a month.

If you are in an economic node and have the gold, you should be able to buy being the mayor for a month.

If you are in a scientific node and have enough friends, you should be able to be voted in as mayor.

In all of this, you are absolutely correct. The thing you are perhaps not taking in to account here though are the numbers. A metropolis level node (which is what you need to be mayor of) would likely have 1000+ citizens. That means you need a LOT of friends, regardless of which node type you are in.

Jean Pageete

Really should be exhaustively difficult to obtain, and I would not mind shooting a ballistic grade ranged weapon to shoot one down or knock them off and die from fall damage.

Atama

Jean Pageete wrote: »

Really should be exhaustively difficult to obtain, and I would not mind shooting a ballistic grade ranged weapon to shoot one down or knock them off and die from fall damage.

Harold, load the trebuchet, there's that damn fool king on his stupid Griffin again. This is the last time he pees all over our rutabaga crop.

RahkstarRPG

Wow, this thread is an absolute train wreck.

From OP labeling anyone that doesn’t agree with him as a classic WoW player (like... what?) to OP not understanding how flying mounts affected open world PVP in WoW to OP insinuating that flying mounts were literally the only reason to play this game, I don’t even really know where to begin breaking this travesty down.

Anranir

For the same reason as others I disagree that flying mounts should not be common place.

Flying mounts severely limit the amount of open world PvP that goes on, reduces the land mass by being able to fly over it all and reduces the interaction people have on the ground. I absolutely agree with having them being very rare.

Netory

Just let everyone have flying mounts, it'll totally be worth destroying half the foundation this game is built on just so people can hold W while staring at a sky blue screen for 10 minutes.

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