A change for the Bounty Hunter idea.

I love the idea of a profession that benefits from hunting PKers. It's fantastic for both the PK'er and the BH.

The only suggestion I would have, would be to not make PKer info live data on the map. It makes things a bit to easy the BH. I would suggest a "last known location" mark on the map. If a corrupted player goes within visible range of a player or npc/npc structure his location mark will update. Doing this will tell BHs where to go, and it would make it feel a lot more like a man hunt (see Tommy Lee Jones in "The Fugitive"). BHs really should have to do at least some work to get their mark.

You could even implement tracking skills that would allow a BH to go to the last known location then execute the skills and it would give them non-exact information about what direction to take to keep tracking the target. This adds skill and tension to the hunt, it also is far more satisfying in the end than a "run to here dot".

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akabear

hazardnumberseven wrote: »

I think the way they might be doing it (not sure) is that bounty hunters will be able to 'track' the target in a way. Hopefully not just a thing on your map, but also some of where the target has been and stuff they have interacted with.

But I agree, would like it to be more of a cool system instead of just 'check map'..

Age of Conan had a class specific tracking skill that could show the tracks of a recent player path.. would love to see an extension on your idea with something like that.

As for being on the map.

I think how visible on the map should depend on how large the corruption is. ie mildly corrupt then perhaps the map flags a zone.. and progressivley that area gets smaller the more corrupt the player becomes..

But from L2 days, being corrupt does not always mean that the corrupted player is a stitting duck.. sometimes going after a corrupt player only leads to being killed by them again or their allys

Great stuff!

HazardNumberSeven

Tsukasa wrote: »

Lazyactor wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

Not a bad idea but if this got implemented, few things need to be changed. Like corrupted player shouldn't know a hunter's location at all.

Or BH doesn't become hostile target until he decided to attack or doesn't lose anything, so he doesn't become the prey.

Most people would PK once to steal loot then go kill mobs to remove the corruption ASAP, possibly with guildmates protecting them VS you alone getting harassed.

But there is not rule saying you have to hunt targets alone as a BH. Thinking logically are you not hunting the scum of the world? These people have engaged in crimes so horrendous it changed their very being. Nothing is beyond them. So logically I wouldn't go out as a solo hoping my target is gonna accept my honorable duel. Me and my seven friends are gonna travel together so we can cover more ground and decimate this scum and take their juicy loot.

People would cooperate more for "a friend losing his gear" than for personal gain to one person (BH). The odds of having allies are against BH. The only good side is in a 1v1, they're weakened by a debuff.

Scum of the world? In Archeage these "scum" had half the server/faction on their side, if you go against the one scum, they all go against you. I'm not even exaggerating. The power of friendship is real.
Of course Ashes will be different. My point is I expect most PKers in non-combatant zone to have at least one friend with them beforehand, it's too common.

Didn't bother looking for the quote, but I think it was mentioned the PvP penalty from corruption does not apply when the corrupted are fighting the Bounty Hunter. I could be wrong, but that snippet is stuck in my head for some reason.

Noaani

hazardnumberseven wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

Lazyactor wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

Not a bad idea but if this got implemented, few things need to be changed. Like corrupted player shouldn't know a hunter's location at all.

Or BH doesn't become hostile target until he decided to attack or doesn't lose anything, so he doesn't become the prey.

Most people would PK once to steal loot then go kill mobs to remove the corruption ASAP, possibly with guildmates protecting them VS you alone getting harassed.

But there is not rule saying you have to hunt targets alone as a BH. Thinking logically are you not hunting the scum of the world? These people have engaged in crimes so horrendous it changed their very being. Nothing is beyond them. So logically I wouldn't go out as a solo hoping my target is gonna accept my honorable duel. Me and my seven friends are gonna travel together so we can cover more ground and decimate this scum and take their juicy loot.

People would cooperate more for "a friend losing his gear" than for personal gain to one person (BH). The odds of having allies are against BH. The only good side is in a 1v1, they're weakened by a debuff.

Scum of the world? In Archeage these "scum" had half the server/faction on their side, if you go against the one scum, they all go against you. I'm not even exaggerating. The power of friendship is real.
Of course Ashes will be different. My point is I expect most PKers in non-combatant zone to have at least one friend with them beforehand, it's too common.

Didn't bother looking for the quote, but I think it was mentioned the PvP penalty from corruption does not apply when the corrupted are fighting the Bounty Hunter. I could be wrong, but that snippet is stuck in my head for some reason.

You are correct. Corrupted player's combat penalties do not apply when battling bounty hunters.

HazardNumberSeven

noaani wrote: »

hazardnumberseven wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

Lazyactor wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

Not a bad idea but if this got implemented, few things need to be changed. Like corrupted player shouldn't know a hunter's location at all.

Or BH doesn't become hostile target until he decided to attack or doesn't lose anything, so he doesn't become the prey.

Most people would PK once to steal loot then go kill mobs to remove the corruption ASAP, possibly with guildmates protecting them VS you alone getting harassed.

But there is not rule saying you have to hunt targets alone as a BH. Thinking logically are you not hunting the scum of the world? These people have engaged in crimes so horrendous it changed their very being. Nothing is beyond them. So logically I wouldn't go out as a solo hoping my target is gonna accept my honorable duel. Me and my seven friends are gonna travel together so we can cover more ground and decimate this scum and take their juicy loot.

People would cooperate more for "a friend losing his gear" than for personal gain to one person (BH). The odds of having allies are against BH. The only good side is in a 1v1, they're weakened by a debuff.

Scum of the world? In Archeage these "scum" had half the server/faction on their side, if you go against the one scum, they all go against you. I'm not even exaggerating. The power of friendship is real.
Of course Ashes will be different. My point is I expect most PKers in non-combatant zone to have at least one friend with them beforehand, it's too common.

Didn't bother looking for the quote, but I think it was mentioned the PvP penalty from corruption does not apply when the corrupted are fighting the Bounty Hunter. I could be wrong, but that snippet is stuck in my head for some reason.

You are correct. Corrupted player's combat penalties do not apply when battling bounty hunters.

Cheers for the confirm!

Grimzar

If I am correct Bounty Hunter is like profession/guild that player can progress within it. So I wonder if going Bounty Hunters path is worth pursuing? Since being corrupted don't provide any positive effects I imagine that corrupted players will be a rarity in AoC. So bunch of Bounty Hunters will probably have not much to do in most cases.

How about adding something opposite to BH? Bandits gangs? Players who progress in gangs would have bonuses such as more loot from attacking caravans etc. and also would be tracked/marked by bounty hunters. So the 2 groups of players would feed each other

I love the idea of BH (a pvp police :P) but I am a little worried that it wont be profitable in most cases.

Lazyactor

Tsukasa wrote: »

Lazyactor wrote: »

Tsukasa wrote: »

Not a bad idea but if this got implemented, few things need to be changed. Like corrupted player shouldn't know a hunter's location at all.

Or BH doesn't become hostile target until he decided to attack or doesn't lose anything, so he doesn't become the prey.

Most people would PK once to steal loot then go kill mobs to remove the corruption ASAP, possibly with guildmates protecting them VS you alone getting harassed.

But there is not rule saying you have to hunt targets alone as a BH. Thinking logically are you not hunting the scum of the world? These people have engaged in crimes so horrendous it changed their very being. Nothing is beyond them. So logically I wouldn't go out as a solo hoping my target is gonna accept my honorable duel. Me and my seven friends are gonna travel together so we can cover more ground and decimate this scum and take their juicy loot.

People would cooperate more for "a friend losing his gear" than for personal gain to one person (BH). The odds of having allies are against BH. The only good side is in a 1v1, they're weakened by a debuff.

Scum of the world? In Archeage these "scum" had half the server/faction on their side, if you go against the one scum, they all go against you. I'm not even exaggerating. The power of friendship is real.
Of course Ashes will be different. My point is I expect most PKers in non-combatant zone to have at least one friend with them beforehand, it's too common.

That's a fair point but the power of friendship isnt just something that the "evil" side has access to. Simply changing the system a little to reward all players who took part in a hunt is probably enough and provides incentive to group up. For example if on death the system takes 50 percent of all materials from your inventory, then takes lets say 20 percent of that is eaten by the resource sink system. Leaving 30 percent to be loot able by your killers. If 4 people took part in the hunt split it 4 ways. If gear drops from that player then simply have people roll for it. If you also consider you need to rank up in your BH profession sharing rewards that way also applies. If a target is worth 100 experience in BH profession just split it four ways. You get more if you go out solo but you also are less likely to succeed and therefore get nothing. You get less going out in a group but are more likely to succeed. Risk VS Reward. Thats what I think anyways.

Songcaller

A solo Bounty Hunter will have a rough time. It depends how much information we are given, but 1/8 Corrupted Players could potentially be your hard counter. Enmity can be real and the risk/reward is more slanted to the risk, rather than the reward. Corrupted People can get 'loot' from a Bounty Hunter too, not sure what the 'loot' is, but, the 'loot' will be gainable unless the system is changed through tests.

Edit: There doesn't seem to be any need to boost Corrupted People any further. It's not meant to encourage joy rides, it's meant to deter the populace. With the amount of people backing Corrupted, claiming Corrupted can exploit the system and advocating for rewards for Corrupted People, I think it's safe to say we won't see a shortage of corrupted people.

Double Edit: It would be nice if Bounty Hunter toggles removed your name while active. I say this because reprisals will be all too common. If you are a regular responder, Corrupted Players will learn your tactics, learn your class and learn your name. Not really conducive to a persistent threat which some repeat offenders will pursue if they have a fetish for fighting Bounty Hunters.

Grimzar

Neurath wrote: »

I think it's safe to say we won't see a shortage of corrupted people.

I may disagree. Even Steven said in one of his interviews with streamers that "red" players were rarity in Lineage 2, where coruption system was more forgiving. So simply Bounty hunters may end up with nothing to do

. Thats why bandits gangs would be nice addition imho.

Grimzar wrote: »

How about adding something opposite to BH? Bandits gangs? Players who progress in gangs would have bonuses such as more loot from attacking caravans etc. and also would be tracked/marked by bounty hunters. So the 2 groups of players would feed each other

especialy if attacking caravans will be outside of corruption/flaging system. Bandints gangs wouldn't be for PKers, only for ppl who want to be "bad guys" but not destroying joy for others

EDIT. or maybe thiefs guild is for that. dunno

Songcaller

To be blunt, the amount of people whining about the system makes me want to go corrupted. Of course, I can't be corrupted and Bounty Hunter at the same time. There are definitely people who crave non-consensual PvP. Whether they mean they will go corrupted is anyone's guess. There will be the PvP Crowd looking for PvP. There will be the PvE Crowd looking to corrupt players. Either the PvE Crowd will have to relent (Which they won't) or the PvP Crowd will have to relent (Which most might but not all).

I wouldn't mind if no-one goes corrupted. If no-one went corrupted I could be free to live in a Divine Node. I feel though most Bounty Hunters won't be Healers, as such, my Cleric would be very useful to Bounty Hunter Groups and I can accept some slow days.

Edit: I'm hoping beyond hope that my guild doesn't swap from Ashes to New World. I really love Ashes, I really don't like New World. Here's to hope!

Grimzar

nobody whining man... only throwing suggestions to make things better.
if nobody goes corrupted then BH profession doesn't make any sense :<

Songcaller

I didn't mean they were whining in this thread. No worries on that front. I came to make my name concealment request when a Bounty Hunter is flagged. I read the entries in the thread here and joined in the discussion with fellow Bounty Hunters (I assume). So I was just being real.

As I say, if no-one goes corrupted I will move from a Military Node to a Divine Node. It's not a massive issue for me. At this point I've wanted to be a Bounty Hunter for so long that its kind of got stale before I've even touched the Bounty Hunter skills in game. I've seen corrupted in the 4k Video Stream but those testers are just testing the mechanics. If anything, at least we may get to test Bounty Hunter in the Alphas and Betas, if not in the live game.

HazardNumberSeven

Me and my friends are already excited and willing to help each other with bounties, even if only one of us gets a reward at a time. The thing is if we work together, we can get rewards for all of us much easier and quicker than if we are selfish and only do things to benefit ourselves.

This is the nature of the MMORPG. This is the way.

Diamaht

Another thing I wouldn't mind seeing is variable corruption. Meaning if you are close to a node center the corruption gain is substantial, if you are very far from the center the gain is far less severe.

This would create real danger zones between nodes that developed far from each other. The larger the node the further its influence.

The location of these dangerous areas would differ from server to server depending on which nodes evolve. Also the location of these bad lands areas would change as new nodes rise and fall. Bandits could find them selves with new hunting grounds when a node collapses under siege and could also find themselves homeless when a previously small node next to them now has room to progress.

HazardNumberSeven

diamaht wrote: »

Another thing I wouldn't mind seeing is variable corruption. Meaning if you are close to a node center the corruption gain is substantial, if you are very far from the center the gain is far less severe.

This would create real danger zones between nodes that developed far from each other. The larger the node the further its influence.

The location of these dangerous areas would differ from server to server depending on which nodes evolve. Also the location of these bad lands areas would change as new nodes rise and fall. Bandits could find them selves with new hunting grounds when a node collapses under siege and could also find themselves homeless when a previously small node next to them now has room to progress.

I think the risk with a system like that is, you're allowed the option to kill someone even if they're unflagged for a reason I believe.

For example, if someone is following you around, unflagged, harassing you, spying on you, taking nodes/mobs, just generally doing whatever they can to troll you without PvPing you, you should be able to kill them at least 1 time to get them off your back without 'too' much of a penalty, and that is why I believe corruption is a scaling punishment. 1 murder might suck, but it's not the end of your playtime for the day, you can skulk off and work away at it.

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