Atama wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise. Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse. and they pay 15 subscriptions, and keep the game well funded. Seriously. You think the company grows the money on trees? big chunk of income is from multiple subs. People need to learn to stop bitching about it. That’s not a valid defense when a game is trying to avoid P2W, that it’s okay for them to benefit as long as AoC makes money. That’s completely missing the point. It’s not okay, and people should always bitch if something is pay to win in a game they promised to not be. That being said, as I said before if Intrepid can’t control what players do outside of the game itself then you can’t really blame them. I’m not at all convinced that multi-boxing is P2W unless AoC officially supports it the way a game like WoW does, and they show no sign of doing that. I’m only giving a reminder that the idea of being able to pay money to gain a tactical advantage within AoC itself (and with support by Intrepid) would be a big deal and would justifiably piss off a lot of people (myself included).
Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise. Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse. and they pay 15 subscriptions, and keep the game well funded. Seriously. You think the company grows the money on trees? big chunk of income is from multiple subs. People need to learn to stop bitching about it.
DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise. Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse.
Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise.
DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy.
Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold.
DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money.
Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing.
Kohl wrote: » Atama wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise. Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse. and they pay 15 subscriptions, and keep the game well funded. Seriously. You think the company grows the money on trees? big chunk of income is from multiple subs. People need to learn to stop bitching about it. That’s not a valid defense when a game is trying to avoid P2W, that it’s okay for them to benefit as long as AoC makes money. That’s completely missing the point. It’s not okay, and people should always bitch if something is pay to win in a game they promised to not be. That being said, as I said before if Intrepid can’t control what players do outside of the game itself then you can’t really blame them. I’m not at all convinced that multi-boxing is P2W unless AoC officially supports it the way a game like WoW does, and they show no sign of doing that. I’m only giving a reminder that the idea of being able to pay money to gain a tactical advantage within AoC itself (and with support by Intrepid) would be a big deal and would justifiably piss off a lot of people (myself included). They promised the game not to be pay2win. They can't promise on behalf of other people not exploiting the game. And blocking multiboxing is impossible. They can go after those who exploit it by using bots and scripts, and whatnot to profit, but do you seriously think they're going to start banning people who use it as a workaround for the steps they'll implement against botters and RTM? Hell no. Even if those players use their alts to mine double the nodes. As long as they're not scripting the actions they won't do shit to them. I've seen the same thing in several other mmorpg's. I've never been banned for multiboxing. And if they make trading stuff between characters on the same account possible, I wont even need to multibox. So the whole topic is bunch of what ifs.
DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » Atama wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DaRougaroux wrote: » Kohl wrote: » DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Kohl wrote: » I don't see an issue with multiboxing. Are you telling me that I shouldn't be able to open up 2 paid instances of the game, and use both of them in the same time? That's silly. You shouldn't dictate the amount of time a player spends in the game. You can only control a single box at a time anyway. If I want a character on a second account to reach mastery in another class, why shouldn't I be able to? They should focus on botting, and people using scripts instead. Not outright ban multiboxing. Yea. I am. You are paying for an advantage over someone who can only afford 1. You dont need to control them at the same time to abuse it. Its laid out exactly how in this thread. Try focusing on that if you want to make a counter argument. Everyone is on equal footing with 1 account as you cant even play unless you have one. Yes pay to win is literslly you paying for more accounts to gain advantages. Are you saying you are not gaining am advantage by paying more money to do more stuff? You are advocating for paying for an advantage. Literally p2w. When ever you drop more money then the initial purschase required you are paying to do more. I was told you can have multiple characters on one account. So having multiple accounts for that seems redundant. To me the biggest problem is crafting/gathering and auction abuse because of multiple locations at once. A benefit one person doesnt get unless they spend more money. You're paying for a subscription that offers you certain things in-game. Mining nodes, quests you can do once a day etc. If you're paying for another subscription that offers you exactly the same thing, what's the issue? Nobody is stopping you from owning more subscriptions, yet you want to impose a rule that prevents others to do so? Mind you, those people will spend more time in the game than you. It's like you're telling me to shutdown my HBO subscription because I already have Netflix, and the show that interests me is in both at the same time. But here is the catch. There are other shows that aren't on Netflix and are on HBO. I cannot make a simpler analogy. To further expand on this: I'm paying 2 subscriptions in final fantasy 14, and I use them to transfer gold from 1 character to another, because in-game you cannot transfer funds between your characters. Even though I worked hard to earn that gold. I make it on 1 character, spend it on another. Edit: I'll also say that the steps that the devs will implement against those who abuse the system are the exact things that prevent me from legitimately playing the game, and that's why I need to multibox. What's the reason they stopped trading gold in ff14 between characters on the same account? To fight botters and RTM. And me who's doing neither is handicapped by this. And you want to take away from me the only way that I have to do that. To have 1 dedicated character on 1 thing, and another on farming gold. Problem is, subscribing to HBO and Netflix doesnt negatively effect the games economy and force people who cant afford to multi box, to play 5 times as long and hard, just keep up with a single server multiboxer who is crashing prices and over inflating the market cause he can play 5 toons, at once. Its not fair, it's not right, it kills immersion and negatively impacts the economy. You can't play 5 toons at once unless you use scripts and are actively botting. At least I assume you can't since you need to swap between clients and leave another toon unattended while you control the other. Let them pursue those who actively abuse the system, banning it outright along with the other preventions they'll implement against rtm and botters, and whatnot, will handicap people. Also, for those who abuse this, there is always the solution of hardware ID ban. Buying another subscription is easy, swapping an unknown part of your pc for a new one is not. The economy is fickle in every mmorpg. IF you think you can prevent it from having inflated prices you're wrong. Unless said prices for items are fixed. There's also the issue of funding the game. You have to let go of 1 thing to get another. You cant have it all perfect. It's naive to think otherwise. Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse. and they pay 15 subscriptions, and keep the game well funded. Seriously. You think the company grows the money on trees? big chunk of income is from multiple subs. People need to learn to stop bitching about it. That’s not a valid defense when a game is trying to avoid P2W, that it’s okay for them to benefit as long as AoC makes money. That’s completely missing the point. It’s not okay, and people should always bitch if something is pay to win in a game they promised to not be. That being said, as I said before if Intrepid can’t control what players do outside of the game itself then you can’t really blame them. I’m not at all convinced that multi-boxing is P2W unless AoC officially supports it the way a game like WoW does, and they show no sign of doing that. I’m only giving a reminder that the idea of being able to pay money to gain a tactical advantage within AoC itself (and with support by Intrepid) would be a big deal and would justifiably piss off a lot of people (myself included). They promised the game not to be pay2win. They can't promise on behalf of other people not exploiting the game. And blocking multiboxing is impossible. They can go after those who exploit it by using bots and scripts, and whatnot to profit, but do you seriously think they're going to start banning people who use it as a workaround for the steps they'll implement against botters and RTM? Hell no. Even if those players use their alts to mine double the nodes. As long as they're not scripting the actions they won't do shit to them. I've seen the same thing in several other mmorpg's. I've never been banned for multiboxing. And if they make trading stuff between characters on the same account possible, I wont even need to multibox. So the whole topic is bunch of what ifs. They already stated they will be banning if you use 3rd party software to multibox. I havent got word if they are capable of detecting VMs to multibox and if its possible to stop that. If they can then yes, they can stop multiboxing on a single computer. Outside one computer there isnt shit they can do. If they can do something, then yes I do expect them to do something.
DaRougaroux wrote: » Not true. There are hardware hubs, no scripts needed, that can control up to 15 PCs on one keyboard and mouse.
Tsukasa wrote: » Anyone defends multi-boxing needs to shut their mouth. There is literally nothing good about it. Ruins every game!Any small advantage is an advantage, therefore P2W.Also when Steven said "it'a like second account" instead of alt for primary account. He said the same in 2017 to alts in the same account making the owner self-sufficient. This mentality could kill the game! "We don't know how to stop it" is not an excuse to allow it. Simple as that. It just needs to be bannable, so a lot less people will abuse it. Then the rest is up to the community to report suspicious activities for investigation.
Wandering Mist wrote: » Right, this is literally the third thread made in the last 2 hours regarding this topic, and so far nobody has offered a solution. Give us a solution or stop making threads over and over and over please.
LottoOne wrote: » Wandering Mist wrote: » Right, this is literally the third thread made in the last 2 hours regarding this topic, and so far nobody has offered a solution. Give us a solution or stop making threads over and over and over please. the solution is to not allow multiboxing.
noaani wrote: » LottoOne wrote: » Wandering Mist wrote: » Right, this is literally the third thread made in the last 2 hours regarding this topic, and so far nobody has offered a solution. Give us a solution or stop making threads over and over and over please. the solution is to not allow multiboxing. That isn't the solution. That could be the proposal for a solution, but if it were, the solution would then have to be in fiding a way to stop it - which can't actually be done. That is why there are all these threads.
DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » Do you post a coded solution everytime you post a bug?
DontTouchMyHoHos wrote: » There will be no lifers that do think it is worth it. I.E logging off characters specifically at rare nodes and only logging them on to gather the nodes. People will learn rare node rotations unless they have like 1000s of different rotating locations for the nodes. You dont need to put a whole lot of effort into moving a character to a location to simply gather and log them off till the node spawns or just leave them there till it spawns.
The convenience is actually increased due to the lack of fast travel. Being at different locations for auctions and gathering etc. will be huge. If this can happen its p2w. Doesnt mater how big a scale it is. Its p2w period. And You dont need to control all the characters at the exact same time to abuse multiboxing. You can simply preposition characters at locations and casually tab through the cliens to gather in location on the other sude of the world.
