Bunny Hopping?

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but will bunny hopping while fighting be a thing in AoC. I Know games have very little realism but sure would like to see some penalties for some guy in plate armor bouncing around while hacking on you. Stamina loss, defense penatly something. Maybe it's because I'm a old fart.

How about you guys what do you think, Yes to it penalty free or No keep em on the ground lol.

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Atama

Although we have hybrid action combat, it’s not a full blown FPS so I don’t think bunny hopping will be that helpful. I didn’t play in the APOC testing extensively (I don’t hate myself that much) but I don’t remember seeing it there when I played.

HiddenDaggerInn

I never played lineage so I'm not sure, but I know it's big with mages in PvP in Archeage.

Aardvark

Since only like 25 percent is tab target that means bunny hopping should be quite effective. Should be but we will have to see

HiddenDaggerInn

it's really not a huge issue, I think more me it's just more annoying than anything and always wondered why it wasn't penalized.

cyanideinsanity

Aardvark wrote: »

Since only like 25 percent is tab target that means bunny hopping should be quite effective. Should be but we will have to see

Its not 25% tab. Its up to a 75/25 split in either direction based on what you spec into. You can be primarily tab or action based.

HiddenDaggerInn

Thank you for the info guys, it will be interesting to see if they implement any kind of stamina drain from constantly jumping arround. I hope they do, when I see it it gives me the feel of a FPS not a MMO.

DeJoke

Sandman wrote: »

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but will bunny hopping while fighting be a thing in AoC. I Know games have very little realism but sure would like to see some penalties for some guy in plate armor bouncing around while hacking on you. Stamina loss, defense penatly something. Maybe it's because I'm a old fart.

How about you guys what do you think, Yes to it penalty free or No keep em on the ground lol.

I always found this really annoying in WoW until I realized how to utilize it myself and got used to it. I can understand your pain. But with action-based skills, learning to dodge will be part of the game. Will be interesting to see how fast-paced the gameplay will be. Especially for mages, arches, and rogues.

HiddenDaggerInn

That's the thing though, a "Dodge" is purposely put into the game with usually with a short cooldown, this is just spamming the spacebar button by moving erratically and very unrealistically. Again for FPS fine, but for a MMO I hope they have some kind of hinderance for it.

Frostduck

Honestly i hope armor penalties will only apply in combat (if at all) or while flagged or something. yea, realism is nice and all but fuck running slowly and inability to jump, that sucks the joy out of the game so hard. And thats way more important than realism.

Aardvark

Frostduck wrote: »

Honestly i hope armor penalties will only apply in combat (if at all) or while flagged or something. yea, realism is nice and all but fuck running slowly and inability to jump, that sucks the joy out of the game so hard. And thats way more important than realism.

In dnd one time we had a palidan fall down a hole and in order to get him out we had to pull his armor up with a rope and then his pack and then pull him up with the rope cause the mage and bard up top were not strong enough to pull him up with the armor on even with the rope.

HiddenDaggerInn

not really asking for anyone to be slower in armor, just simply while still being able to bunny hop, there be a limit at some point draining a resource they need. So they can still do it if they choose, but not all the damn time. I don't wanna feel like i'm in a FPS

Valento92

I see no problem with that.

Skilledzero

I think people in games bunnyhop to mentally enrage people they are fighting with most of the time. I would say a good compromise is that you can jump as much as you want, or roll dodge every so often with i/frames (meaning while their character is getting up from the roll animation wise they are unable to do anything to you as they recover) however while you're in the air most attacks and instant spell casts are unusable as if you're out of Line of sight. I would also agree with attack canceling like a bluff as well, you start the attack animation and cancel it to dodge away, you don't do the damage intended but you also don't take any damage and perhaps get into a better position than your enemy.

HiddenDaggerInn

ya I mean it's 1 thing to hop all around but to have use of your spells while doing it is kinda silly

Grihm

PeggysuegotParried wrote: »

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but will bunny hopping while fighting be a thing in AoC. I Know games have very little realism but sure would like to see some penalties for some guy in plate armor bouncing around while hacking on you. Stamina loss, defense penatly something. Maybe it's because I'm a old fart.

How about you guys what do you think, Yes to it penalty free or No keep em on the ground lol.

If they wanna jump around, Stamina loss deluxe please.
In my days..we bloody fought standing still!!
Old farts united in this!

Arukoru

I think this gets a bit too ambitious for an MMO.

For whatever you might think of any MMO you've ever loved, the mechanics will always be limited by the fact of the game being an MMO. No MMO will ever have the combat of dark souls, the mount handling of red dead, or the interactability of a Just Cause because it is just too much for the server to process and relay to all the players in the area.

Personally I really loved guild wars 1 combat because tab targeting in a clustercluck still made your guy run to the target you selected and start attacking. It was very limited but very good because of the limits. WoW combat on the other hand I find deeply unsatisfying, everything is very floaty and animations are very poorly matched to the action/damage.

Taleof2Cities

Maybe you put diminishing returns on repeat jumps as the OP suggests ... ?

That keeps the OP happy as well as the enabling the action-based subset to get out of sticky situations.

fabula

The combat system must feel good but I also think that the way is looks is part of what makes it feel good.

One of my concerns when people were complaining about some animations pushing you forward is that we would go back to floaty animations and with floaty animations comes the jumping around type of gameplay that you see in a lot of games and that looks just awful.

Azherae

Can I basically take this thread to be 'a lot of people agreeing that jumping should have a stamina cost'?

Asking for a friend-thread.

Zusa

It would be a good idea for stamina costs

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