Nagash wrote: » Lets face it streamers are part of gaming like it or not
cleansingtotem wrote: » Elder Soul wrote: » Do not allow monetization for streamers, youtubers and all class of snowflake God of social media and his crowd of fanboys. Make a game for gamers, for entretainment and no to be exploited for money makers. Make a game to play and reward the common user an not a platform to make easy marketing and a way of life/income for seekers of followers, likes and suscriptors. You have the chance to do it. Let see if you can... I don't think I have ever seen a more snowflake type community before. This game is in serious trouble with the feeback its getting,.
Elder Soul wrote: » Do not allow monetization for streamers, youtubers and all class of snowflake God of social media and his crowd of fanboys. Make a game for gamers, for entretainment and no to be exploited for money makers. Make a game to play and reward the common user an not a platform to make easy marketing and a way of life/income for seekers of followers, likes and suscriptors. You have the chance to do it. Let see if you can...
Elder Soul wrote: » Wandering Mist wrote: » Elder Soul wrote: » Hamlet wrote: » What decline in video games? the gaming industry is bigger than ever! seeing as you joined a few days ago, i'm assuming you also found us here from a content creator.. why the hate towards them? Bigger and Quality is not the same. The decline in quality is evident. And thanks to the contribution of these content creators. Of course the industry grew, it became a machine to promote influencers and swallow money from users and that is why it has to change. Companies no longer develop content for users, they do it for influencers, they promote them, they give them privileges, they treat them like Gods knowing that behind each one there are thousands or millions of faithful followers willing to do, say and support what their Deity tell you that it is okay or it is right. They are the doom of the genre, there is no game that they touch that is not reduced to ashes, in terms of quality and service for the common consumer. No, the decline in quality is because people keep pre-ordering game after game after game to the point where most AAA games game their money back on pre-sales alone. This means they have no incentive to actually make a decent finished game because they know people will buy it regardless of what state the game is in. That has absolutely nothing to do with streamers. And do you know who promotes exclusive content to tempt people to make advance purchases? Do you know who receives exclusive invitations to show content not accessible by the common user and generates Hype? Do you know who receives free copies, invitations to events, merchandise, collector editions and other benefits to speak wonders of something that is not yet finished? Content creators bear a large part of the responsibility for this type of problem. Remove the privileges and the possibility of generating money from the equation and most of the problems disappear.
Wandering Mist wrote: » Elder Soul wrote: » Hamlet wrote: » What decline in video games? the gaming industry is bigger than ever! seeing as you joined a few days ago, i'm assuming you also found us here from a content creator.. why the hate towards them? Bigger and Quality is not the same. The decline in quality is evident. And thanks to the contribution of these content creators. Of course the industry grew, it became a machine to promote influencers and swallow money from users and that is why it has to change. Companies no longer develop content for users, they do it for influencers, they promote them, they give them privileges, they treat them like Gods knowing that behind each one there are thousands or millions of faithful followers willing to do, say and support what their Deity tell you that it is okay or it is right. They are the doom of the genre, there is no game that they touch that is not reduced to ashes, in terms of quality and service for the common consumer. No, the decline in quality is because people keep pre-ordering game after game after game to the point where most AAA games game their money back on pre-sales alone. This means they have no incentive to actually make a decent finished game because they know people will buy it regardless of what state the game is in. That has absolutely nothing to do with streamers.
Elder Soul wrote: » Hamlet wrote: » What decline in video games? the gaming industry is bigger than ever! seeing as you joined a few days ago, i'm assuming you also found us here from a content creator.. why the hate towards them? Bigger and Quality is not the same. The decline in quality is evident. And thanks to the contribution of these content creators. Of course the industry grew, it became a machine to promote influencers and swallow money from users and that is why it has to change. Companies no longer develop content for users, they do it for influencers, they promote them, they give them privileges, they treat them like Gods knowing that behind each one there are thousands or millions of faithful followers willing to do, say and support what their Deity tell you that it is okay or it is right. They are the doom of the genre, there is no game that they touch that is not reduced to ashes, in terms of quality and service for the common consumer.
Hamlet wrote: » What decline in video games? the gaming industry is bigger than ever! seeing as you joined a few days ago, i'm assuming you also found us here from a content creator.. why the hate towards them?
Wandering Mist wrote: » Elder Soul wrote: » Wandering Mist wrote: » Elder Soul wrote: » Hamlet wrote: » What decline in video games? the gaming industry is bigger than ever! seeing as you joined a few days ago, i'm assuming you also found us here from a content creator.. why the hate towards them? Bigger and Quality is not the same. The decline in quality is evident. And thanks to the contribution of these content creators. Of course the industry grew, it became a machine to promote influencers and swallow money from users and that is why it has to change. Companies no longer develop content for users, they do it for influencers, they promote them, they give them privileges, they treat them like Gods knowing that behind each one there are thousands or millions of faithful followers willing to do, say and support what their Deity tell you that it is okay or it is right. They are the doom of the genre, there is no game that they touch that is not reduced to ashes, in terms of quality and service for the common consumer. No, the decline in quality is because people keep pre-ordering game after game after game to the point where most AAA games game their money back on pre-sales alone. This means they have no incentive to actually make a decent finished game because they know people will buy it regardless of what state the game is in. That has absolutely nothing to do with streamers. And do you know who promotes exclusive content to tempt people to make advance purchases? Do you know who receives exclusive invitations to show content not accessible by the common user and generates Hype? Do you know who receives free copies, invitations to events, merchandise, collector editions and other benefits to speak wonders of something that is not yet finished? Content creators bear a large part of the responsibility for this type of problem. Remove the privileges and the possibility of generating money from the equation and most of the problems disappear. Actually, from my experience it's the big news outlets like IGN, PC Gamer, Gamespot, etc that get the majority of the review copies for AAA games, and are the ones that produce the super-positive reviews that generate all the hype while carefully omitting the worse aspects of the games. After all, it's in their best interests to do so, as a positive review is going to drive more people to both the game and their website, and keep them in the good books with the AAA companies meaning they keep getting review copies of the latest games. Jim Sterling is living proof of this. He used to work for the gaming site Destructoid as a review editor but quit because the company refused to publish a review for a game he wrote because it was "too negative" and also talked about the game's monetization which the website didn't feel was "relevant" to the review.
Elder Soul wrote: » The question is, why are they given rights and privileges above the common user when we are all supposed to pay to access the same content?
ogre wrote: » Elder Soul wrote: » The question is, why are they given rights and privileges above the common user when we are all supposed to pay to access the same content? Unless the devs cave and give streamers special in-game privileges, which i doubt given their stance on keeping the game as pure as possible, I don't see streamers being too much of a problem. The only real in-game advantage that a streamer gets is his/her access to manpower/gold in the form of their viewers. This is within the rules of most MMOs despite being a somewhat unscrupulous thing to do. A large guild could do something similar albeit on a much smaller scale, although i don't expect that to happen as most normal guilds are full of people who ALL want to progress their characters. If some big names get more people to play the game, great. If they end up negatively influencing the game...not so great(100,000 fans parroting a streamers opinion about how to change the game on twitter/reddit/the forums is a very powerful voice). That said I will absolutely be seeking a server without streamers or with as few as possible. I don't want to even have to think about some made up streamer drama. I just want to play the game as it's intended to be played, I would advise others to do the same if they intend on avoiding the inevitable drama.
