Big guilds raiding servers

I guess a lot of you have seen Asmongolds vids about Ashes, saying he would come to the game with the viewers and be the Mayor of a sci node. That's a problem Steve already said it can't be helped (atm at least). But that's not my concern. My concern comes from the server capacity and extremely big guilds coming together. If (f.e.) Asmon's followers go to one server and let's say they are over 15k, how will they fit in the server, and worse, what are gonna do the few people on the server that are not part of the guild?
This is ofc the extreme case scenario, where a full server is occupied with one community and no one is gonna fight against the other. But this concern also applies to big guilds (not that big) that can outnumber other smaller ones making alliances. Because as I know, there will be two types of guilds, one with a few people but big buffs, and other that exchanges those buffs to make the guild bigger. What if hella people just make alliances and break the balance?
Am I making sense?

Thanks in advance.

Lero

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Songcaller

Mega Guilds will always be an issue. If a Mega Guild of 15,000 goes on the same server the game would be boring for them. There won't be sieges, there won't be contestation, it would be like a PvE Server lol.

Jubilum

This will happen. Thank goodness for multiple servers. If you're not happy with the situation on your current server move to one that fits your desired play style. The serves will eventually die due to people moving to other servers or not logging on because there is nothing to do.

Or the big guild and node leaders will create false content to keep the players active and involved. Like they do in Eve.

HiddenDaggerInn

if they in fact have servers guilds can sign up for early, I'm hoping they will make 1 alone for content creators. I will be avoiding a streamer server like the plague I want no part of the que's and nonsense that comes with it.

Jubilum

Sandman wrote: »

if they in fact have servers guilds can sign up for early, I'm hoping they will make 1 alone for content creators. I will be avoiding a streamer server like the plague I want no part of the que's and nonsense that comes with it.

I agree. I will go no where near a server with a content creator on it or anyone live streaming. I have no aspirations to be twitch famous.

CaptnChuck

I suggest reading this post.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/44956

The world will be dynamic. Yes, initially when a 15k guild joins the server, it will be boring. But that boredom will soon come to pass. Guilds that are that large, especially streamer guilds, will have a ton of drama going on. Drama is fun, it will create change.

Also, a server has 50k players. Yes, 15k is almost 30% of the population of a server, but remember, the remaining 35k can still oppose the other guild.

Leroher

CaptnChuck wrote: »

I suggest reading this post.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/44956

The world will be dynamic. Yes, initially when a 15k guild joins the server, it will be boring. But that boredom will soon come to pass. Guilds that are that large, especially streamer guilds, will have a ton of drama going on. Drama is fun, it will create change.

Also, a server has 50k players. Yes, 15k is almost 30% of the population of a server, but remember, the remaining 35k can still oppose the other guild.

True, I was wrong here, I thought that there were only 10k on the server, I guess it will be 50k with only 10k playing at the same time.

And yeah, I thought about the drama too, it will make things fun anyways, and also at least they would compete between them to see who has bigger "keyboard".

Songcaller

The good news is most of the massive streamers are American. Pleased to be UK/EU.

Xenantaya

Does anyone know how many players Asmongold had in the various Olympus guilds after WoW Classic launch? Might be an indication of how many guild members he'll bring to AOC.

On server size, Steven talked about servers having 50,000 total players and 8,000 to 12,000 concurrent players. The 50k sounds like a cap; unclear whether the concurrent player number is a cap or just an estimate. I'd expect there to be far more players active at launch on each server.

Aardvark

Neurath wrote: »

Mega Guilds will always be an issue. If a Mega Guild of 15,000 goes on the same server the game would be boring for them. There won't be sieges, there won't be contestation, it would be like a PvE Server lol.

You say that like it’s a bad thing. Lots of people would like a pve server lol

halbarz

while I do not mind streamer guilds I do think that X amount of slots should only be available for guild pre-registration. This to not just have 1 or 2 streamers filling 10-15k slots.

40-50% should be for pre-register guilds.

Xenotor

If Asmo joined a singel server with all his followers it would be pretty booring for them.
In Ragnarok online the worst times were when your guild dominated the others. Fun comes mostly from even fights while stomping your enemy become stale really fast.

Juk KO

Xenotor wrote: »

If Asmo joined a singel server with all his followers it would be pretty booring for them.
In Ragnarok online the worst times were when your guild dominated the others. Fun comes mostly from even fights while stomping your enemy become stale really fast.

Which is why being the worst player from the get go and getting Corrupted as fast as possible is valuable.

Yuyukoyay

I think he said something closer to 12 000 being a cap. We definitely won't know the caps outside of their testing though for sure. I am for server caps though, but a streamer owned server won't become a pve server like you think.

Especially Asmonbald. There aren't factions so anyone can do just about anything. I'd imagine that his own fans would make a Revolution of Asmonbald guild that is just as big as his own guild to oppose him.

PlagueMonk

I guess I don't quite understand how or even why a "Mega-Guild" of 15k would come to be in AoC considering the guild cap is 300 and you can only have 3 other alliances. Even if all 4 were run by the same person that would be 1200 max. I guess you could continue recruiting and making new 'sub-guilds' and coordinate outside the game but at some point it just seems so unmanageable and, well, pointless from my point of view. If EVERYONE is in the same freakin' guild then that removes the antagonistic element and it just becomes a boring PvE server. Why would anyone want to do that when one of the focuses of the game IS PvP?

Plus there is also the consideration of guild skills. If you always go for max size, you will be missing out on the skills smaller guilds will be able to take advantage of. Yes I know that zerg > skill most of the time but again...boring.

Yuyukoyay

He's currently got about 14 sub guilds in classic WoW.

CaptnChuck

Xenotor wrote: »

If Asmo joined a singel server with all his followers it would be pretty booring for them.
In Ragnarok online the worst times were when your guild dominated the others. Fun comes mostly from even fights while stomping your enemy become stale really fast.

He will most likely join a server with other streamers like shroud, summit, tim and mcconnell. Its going to be a lag fest.

Leroher

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I guess I don't quite understand how or even why a "Mega-Guild" of 15k would come to be in AoC considering the guild cap is 300 and you can only have 3 other alliances. Even if all 4 were run by the same person that would be 1200 max. I guess you could continue recruiting and making new 'sub-guilds' and coordinate outside the game but at some point it just seems so unmanageable and, well, pointless from my point of view. If EVERYONE is in the same freakin' guild then that removes the antagonistic element and it just becomes a boring PvE server. Why would anyone want to do that when one of the focuses of the game IS PvP?

Plus there is also the consideration of guild skills. If you always go for max size, you will be missing out on the skills smaller guilds will be able to take advantage of. Yes I know that zerg > skill most of the time but again...boring.

I didn't know there was a maximum of 3 alliances. In this case, I don't think it will be that much of a problem, and as some of the comments said, even some guys from Asmon's community will probably antagonize him to bring some fun to the server.

Bookystuff

Don't forget you have to be a citizen of a node to partake in elections. This means that if all of the steamers followers don't signup for citizenship right away it will fill up before they can get onboard. This means they can't vote for science nodes, quest for religious, or train their gladiator (assuming intrepid goes with this plan) for military. They will still be able to funnel money for economic elections as far as I am aware.

Khronus

Leroher wrote: »

I guess a lot of you have seen Asmongolds vids about Ashes, saying he would come to the game with the viewers and be the Mayor of a sci node. That's a problem Steve already said it can't be helped (atm at least). But that's not my concern. My concern comes from the server capacity and extremely big guilds coming together. If (f.e.) Asmon's followers go to one server and let's say they are over 15k, how will they fit in the server, and worse, what are gonna do the few people on the server that are not part of the guild?
This is ofc the extreme case scenario, where a full server is occupied with one community and no one is gonna fight against the other. But this concern also applies to big guilds (not that big) that can outnumber other smaller ones making alliances. Because as I know, there will be two types of guilds, one with a few people but big buffs, and other that exchanges those buffs to make the guild bigger. What if hella people just make alliances and break the balance?
Am I making sense?

Thanks in advance.

Lero

First of all, if he gets 15000 people to join into a server and play "let's go zerg around"....I would be happy for IS to accept at LEAST $150000 for their subscriptions assuming they only play that month and don't buy anything else.

Second, I don't think a zerg would do much other than lag everyone out and spam chat at this point. Guild size and alliance limitations will help against this kind of garbage.

Third, Some guilds (like mine) will do everything in our power to prevent zergs from being successful. If there is a guild of 100 taking over an area, we will be focused on taking down the 3 guild alliance of 900+. I prefer quality organization and meaningful memories from my MMO's and taking down the giant sounds like my kind of fun.

Nagash

I see it as free bodies and xp. Time to hunt nooblings

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