For people that ask for RP servers

I've seen a lot of people ask for RP servers on the forums. Initially, I was for this idea but as I thought about it in detail, I recognized why it wouldn't be a great idea.

Resources and dungeons in this game are designed to be contested for. In RP servers, this will not take place to a significant extent. So players can create alts on RP servers, gain access to free, uncontested resources and dungeon/raid loot, that they can then distribute to their main accounts. This will be extremely unhealthy for the game.

Fixing this is not easy. If you decide to make it so that players cannot trade between RP and non-RP servers, that cannot happen due to the existence of freeholds. A freehold is limited to one per account, so its very difficult to prevent trading between a player's RP and non-RP character.

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CaptnChuck

@Niraada

Does any of us actually have something factual when it comes to rp? I'm taking a good guess, that's all. RP players in WoW don't PvP as much. I based it off of that. Your guild might be the exception for all you know.

Also, if you're going to contest and do all the normal stuff, then what exactly makes you different from normal players? I imagine RP players to be players that try to live as villagers of their respective race. It wouldn't make sense for a multi-racial guild to exist in an RP server, as every race will prefer to stay with their own kind. It wouldn't make sense power wise either. Why does a random guild have power in an RP world? Wouldn't you expect the leaders of each race to be the sole powers in the world (aside from gods and ancients)?

Have fun RPing on normal servers, as your chances of getting an RP server are as good as none. We'll enjoy ReaPing you.

Niraada

@CaptainChuck The hostility is unnecessary. I just pointed that your speculations are baseless.

If you'd like to continue the passive aggressive posturing to soothe your ruffled pride, you're more than welcome to, but I think there are more productive discussions to be had.

CaptnChuck

Niraada wrote: »

@CaptainChuck The hostility is unnecessary. I also never asked for RP servers. I just pointed that your speculations are baseless.

If you'd like to continue the passive aggressive posturing to soothe your ruffled pride, you're more than welcome to, but I think there are more productive discussions to be had.

"If you ever wonder why I'm treating you different, take a step back and look at how you've treated me. That should tell you all you need to know."

Its a great quote and it pretty much means, LOOK WHO'S TALKING.

Niraada

@CaptainChuck I'm not sure what you're trying to convey here. Disagreeing with your speculation isn't hostility, nor does it justify yours.

Best of luck going forward.

CaptnChuck

Niraada wrote: »

@CaptainChuck I'm not sure what you're trying to convey here. Disagreeing with your speculation isn't hostility, nor does it justify yours.

Best of luck going forward.

You didn't just disagree. You pretty much insulted me while disagreeing. I think you need to look at the mirror before you ask other people to stop being hostile.

CaptnChuck wrote: »

@Niraada
Also, if you're going to contest and do all the normal stuff, then what exactly makes you different from normal players? I imagine RP players to be players that try to live as villagers of their respective race. It wouldn't make sense for a multi-racial guild to exist in an RP server, as every race will prefer to stay with their own kind. It wouldn't make sense power wise either. Why does a random guild have power in an RP world? Wouldn't you expect the leaders of each race to be the sole powers in the world (aside from gods and ancients)?

Oh btw, I know you don't have a good answer for my reasoning...so you might wanna refrain from typing.

IllusionTokomi

CaptnChuck wrote: »

@Niraada

Also, if you're going to contest and do all the normal stuff, then what exactly makes you different from normal players? I imagine RP players to be players that try to live as villagers of their respective race. It wouldn't make sense for a multi-racial guild to exist in an RP server, as every race will prefer to stay with their own kind. It wouldn't make sense power wise either. Why does a random guild have power in an RP world? Wouldn't you expect the leaders of each race to be the sole powers in the world (aside from gods and ancients)?

Have fun RPing on normal servers, as your chances of getting an RP server are as good as none. We'll enjoy ReaPing you.

I'm not a video game role player, I play D&D and have done some other drama productions. What makes them different, though, is the reason why they do it. You might raid for the gear, an RP-er will raid for the good of the cause. It's acting. It's make believe. It can be fun, not my cup of tea, but I certainly enjoy watching them - just like watching a movie or a musical or a play. It's an art form.

As for your example, every race may or may not prefer to stay with their kind. This is entirely dependent on the lore. And even then, an individual character in the world may be different or go against the grain. Conflict and resolution is the heart of role play.

And that is what makes them fundamentally different than us. They create a make-believe conflict within the construct of the video game, then they work to resolve it. Because it's fun to them. I would rather them have a proper space to be able to do that without my interference (even though I don't mean to be disruptive).

Would you want to be disruptive to someone enjoying that game in their own way?

[EDIT: An afterthought: They (RP-ers) may actually be better at getting the games right than we are. After all it is an MMORolePlayingG. The term "Role" does not refer to Tank/DPS/Heal. It refers to the dramatic role of a character with reference to the plot. Protagonist role , antagonist role, supporting role, etc...

CaptnChuck

@IllusionTokomi

I can understand the existence of multi-racial guilds as something similar to adventuring guilds or something, that do dugeons/raids, fight other contesting guilds etc. etc. But they shouldn't be leaders, just adventurers.

When a guild owns a castle, you can set tax rates on the nodes under your influence. Why is it that guilds have more power than the individual leaders of each race? That fundamentally doesn't make sense to me, especially not in an RP world.

Its like having control of Stormwind in WoW, as a guild with horde and alliance players.

As long as guilds cannot capture castles in the open world, its fine by me.

Niraada

@IllusionTokomi my guild has varying opinions on designated RP servers. The membership is fairly large, and everyone has their own goals within the game. A good portion of them are avid PVPers and are pretty happy with the idea of stomping griefers who like to target RPers, so in that respect, a non-RP server will have advantages in terms of offering more conflict for those that want it.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

IllusionTokomi

@Niraada As the wise man said, "'There's always a bigger fish." Meaning here I suppose: something else will just pop up. Needs will get fulfilled.

nidriks

CaptnChuck wrote: »

nidriks wrote: »

CaptnChuck wrote: »

I've seen a lot of people ask for RP servers on the forums. Initially, I was for this idea but as I thought about it in detail, I recognized why it wouldn't be a great idea.

Resources and dungeons in this game are designed to be contested for. In RP servers, this will not take place to a significant extent. So players can create alts on RP servers, gain access to free, uncontested resources and dungeon/raid loot, that they can then distribute to their main accounts. This will be extremely unhealthy for the game.

Fixing this is not easy. If you decide to make it so that players cannot trade between RP and non-RP servers, that cannot happen due to the existence of freeholds. A freehold is limited to one per account, so its very difficult to prevent trading between a player's RP and non-RP character.

What would ever make you think that roleplayers won't contest? Roleplaying does not prevent PvP.

Definitely not as much as a normal server.

RPPvP servers have been a thing in MMOs for as long as I can remember.

Roleplay promotes PvP, and adhering to alliances, fanatically. They might bow when they kill people, but kill people they do.

RahkstarRPG

So let me get this straight.

You think that because you can only have one freehold per account, your characters on ALL servers will be able to access it?

As in, if you make a freehold on one server, it makes a freehold in the same spot on all servers, even ones you're not on/don't have a character on in case you make an alt there in the future?

Even though a node needs to be level 3 to house a freehold, and one of the major points of this game is nodes will be different across servers?

You realize how unbelievably dumb that is, right? Right? Please. You have to be trolling.

nidriks

CaptnChuck wrote: »

@Niraada

Does any of us actually have something factual when it comes to rp? I'm taking a good guess, that's all. RP players in WoW don't PvP as much. I based it off of that. Your guild might be the exception for all you know.

Also, if you're going to contest and do all the normal stuff, then what exactly makes you different from normal players? I imagine RP players to be players that try to live as villagers of their respective race. It wouldn't make sense for a multi-racial guild to exist in an RP server, as every race will prefer to stay with their own kind. It wouldn't make sense power wise either. Why does a random guild have power in an RP world? Wouldn't you expect the leaders of each race to be the sole powers in the world (aside from gods and ancients)?

Have fun RPing on normal servers, as your chances of getting an RP server are as good as none. We'll enjoy ReaPing you.

You make a lot of assumptions, pal. Sorry, but you do. I'm sure you only have good intentions for the game, but go back to square one.

I used to Roleplay heavily, and on RP servers to boot. RPers are fanatical. They will show no mercy.

A lot of people have them very wrong. I can't comment about WoW as I never role played in that game. Did you?

Nagash

nidriks wrote: »

CaptnChuck wrote: »

@Niraada

Does any of us actually have something factual when it comes to rp? I'm taking a good guess, that's all. RP players in WoW don't PvP as much. I based it off of that. Your guild might be the exception for all you know.

Also, if you're going to contest and do all the normal stuff, then what exactly makes you different from normal players? I imagine RP players to be players that try to live as villagers of their respective race. It wouldn't make sense for a multi-racial guild to exist in an RP server, as every race will prefer to stay with their own kind. It wouldn't make sense power wise either. Why does a random guild have power in an RP world? Wouldn't you expect the leaders of each race to be the sole powers in the world (aside from gods and ancients)?

Have fun RPing on normal servers, as your chances of getting an RP server are as good as none. We'll enjoy ReaPing you.

You make a lot of assumptions, pal. Sorry, but you do. I'm sure you only have good intentions for the game, but go back to square one.

I used to Roleplay heavily, and on RP servers to boot. RPers are fanatical. They will show no mercy.

A lot of people have them very wrong. I can't comment about WoW as I never role played in that game. Did you?

Having a RP crusade is a thing to see

IllusionTokomi

@CaptnChuck I'm sorry, I have never played WoW, so that example is lost on me. But I think I understand the thrust of it. (?)

But, why would it be bad (according to you) if a guild captured a castle? (I'm assuming you meant an RP guild specifically) I can't imagine it would be any better or worse than another guild capturing it. At the point which any guild captures a node (or castle) it becomes RP whether they want it or no. As their non-RP utilitarianism is simply subsumed into the out come of their decision. There is no material difference, only an ideological one. And both guilds have their own ideologies.
I digress.

Nevertheless, that is not the topic of this thread. In your initial post your opinion that RP servers are bad seems to be predicated on the point that they will not contest for resources and as a result will trade them across servers. I'm not saying that is a good or bad idea in and of itself. But ...

I believe that predication is unjustified: I think they actually do (or will) contest for resources. If this is accurate, then (naturally) the argument falls apart, but more to the point there will be less cause to trade resources. So the critical point here is not the disputation of resources among server members but the system that either allows or disallows trading resources across servers.

We could conclude then: if Intrepid disallows trading resources across shards/server then the argument based on the above criterion would be satisfied. The question to answer is: has Intrepid released an official policy or position regarding trading resources across servers?

If so, where can I find that info so I can better inform myself?

Lfmr

CaptnChuck wrote: »

I've seen a lot of people ask for RP servers on the forums. Initially, I was for this idea but as I thought about it in detail, I recognized why it wouldn't be a great idea.

Resources and dungeons in this game are designed to be contested for. In RP servers, this will not take place to a significant extent. So players can create alts on RP servers, gain access to free, uncontested resources and dungeon/raid loot, that they can then distribute to their main accounts. This will be extremely unhealthy for the game.

Fixing this is not easy. If you decide to make it so that players cannot trade between RP and non-RP servers, that cannot happen due to the existence of freeholds. A freehold is limited to one per account, so its very difficult to prevent trading between a player's RP and non-RP character.

Why wouldn't resources be contested? RP servers are generally exactly the same as non RP servers, only people also go into the towns to roleplay when they're done gearing / raiding. In fact, in some cases it may even happen MORE due to players beefing over politics that happened in Roleplay.

Roleplayers are not carebears, they come from all walks of life and each one is very different, take me for example, I am exclusively a PvP player when I play MMO's and only do PvE when it is required to get a meta piece of equipment for PvP

Players will have the same motivation to take and contest resources no matter what server they play on, and RP servers are definitely not hug fests like you seem to think. Just because a player likes to roleplay does not mean they don't like the other aspects of the game as well.

CaptnChuck

@IllusionTokomi

Exactly. I'm not against RP servers as long as cross-server trading does not take place.

I learnt today from another post that alts on different servers will have their own freehold. It was my mistake to assume otherwise.

Thanks for concluding it for me.

Songcaller

We've seen it before, CaptnChuck or Captain Chuck doesn't live in reality. This topic is the same as the streamer topics. Pure fantasy, fanciful faith and blind defence.

Yuyukoyay

I don't really see why rpers need to be segregated from the rest of the playerbase. I wouldn't mind that one guy screaming about his holy vengeance in a raid as long as there is a cooldown between what people can say.

CaptnChuck

Neurath wrote: »

We've seen it before, CaptnChuck or Captain Chuck doesn't live in reality. This topic is the same as the streamer topics. Pure fantasy, fanciful faith and blind defence.

Read my post carefully. I merely stated why I thought RP servers wouldn't be a good idea. My assumption was that because it was one freehold per account, players would be limited to using the same freeholds across different accounts in different servers. Now that I know this isn't the case, I don't really care.

As for the streamer posts, you have to be JOKING. Are you seriously telling me that mass low level griefing won't take place when streamers start playing the game and hundreds of their viewers decide to roll a character on the same server? I'm going to hold you to that.

As for being blind, you're one to talk Mr. Bounty Hunter. Aren't you the one who thinks that you can single-handedly stop the hundreds of griefers that are going to grief streamers?

Lfmr

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

I don't really see why rpers need to be segregated from the rest of the playerbase. I wouldn't mind that one guy screaming about his holy vengeance in a raid as long as there is a cooldown between what people can say.

It's not about segregating or quarantining us, it's about having a place where roleplayers can all gather, generally roleplayers like to roleplay with each other and play out scenes, and some people just like to walk into a city and see it full of life, people talking, it makes the world feel more lived in.

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