Summoner endgame problem

Hello everyone,

this might be a question targeted to class design team, but anyones ideas and opinion are welcome of course!

Anyone who in Lineage 2 played any of the summoner classes (I myself was a PS guy:) ) will remember the painful realization that eventually they will never be on par with other classes, because they summons didn't scale of gear, but of skill level only, compared to other dps classes which had dmg scaling of both gear and skill level.

I wonder how devs plan to address this problem in ashes, to ensure summoners are still competitive in endgame content when other players start to run around with best is slot gear.

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Anub

Hi all, thanks for all the input. Fun how the conversation exploded.
I want to point out that @Healawin is correct when he/she says that it's too soon to discuss what a class's role in party/raid will be since we dont even know the end game design for content and classes will look like

The point that I originally wanted to raise is that there were games in the past where summoner type of class fell of in dps in the end-end-game scenarios, either because of general lack of dps or utility, and I just wanted to know if there were already any ideas on paper how to prevent that.
The argument that you picked a class and now have to deal with the fact that nobody wants to play with you is silly, and overall poor design in general, which really creates buff pet classes that nobody actively plays. imho.

I agree this would be a good question for the next stream. I would assume that all of the classes have at this point a general concept that is in works, which devs could share.

phdmonster

Well, i recall either Steveo or Jeff saying that summoners are sort of jack of all trades kind of class and they can do a lot of things.

I think there should be a reference somewhere about Summoner's Summons scaling from the players power, not the level of the skill or anything like that. So if a caster Summon scales from the players intelligence and wisdom stats or whatever then the more the player has and is stronger, the stronger the summon.

I'm sure they will think of a way to make the class and it's most important skills (the actual summons) relevant in all parts of the game.

HazardNumberSeven

Yeah, it seems like a huge design flaw that summons wouldn't scale with gear/stats in that other game that I'm too lazy to scroll up and find out the name of.

It seems really bizarre to me that such a thing wasn't fixed in a patch or something.

Zambar

If the summons are not default given summons, based on lvl and/or unlocked ability, but geatherable things i guess the end game would be competitive. I mean, if i can go around the world and make pacts with animals, souls etc to summon them as my own would improve the situation.

The second thing is, based on secondary class. and what the Nodes unlocked would grant obtainable elit mobs. For necro a Lick, or DK, for beastmaster like a chimera etc...

ofc I think for Spellmancer/ Conjurer you'll alwas be needed in end game for sieges. Based on the video revealed so far, there is a summoner type that can summon portable walls as defffens for the attacink side. I guess it's one of them.
Also i think the Enchanter will be a support class with buffs for a groups, s if not a must have, but a valid support for endgame.
As for the others idk yet.

Veil Mistwarden

Summoners utility will always prevent them from being on-par with pure DPS classes, because Summoners can just do more things better than a straight caster DPS, or Melee DPS can. Do I trust that SMN will be competitive? Sure, it's pretty clear at this point, that Ashes Of Creation is in good hands.

Undead Canuck

Well, since there is no 'end game' in AoC, this not an issue. The world will keep changing.

There will be high level content, but that is just a scaling decision.

Caric

Peon501 wrote: »

Summoners is spec for leveling. They should respec if they want to participate in PVE.
Summoners only work in PVE if their minions are RDPS, and buffers.
For example Warlock in WoW.
And in PVP summoner minion/minions should be based on skills they use to stunt players and so on.

That's just your opinion and not a good one. Everquest and Everquest 2 (specifically 2) did summoners right.

Damokles

Well, they said once that summoners would get the abilities of their summons in their hotbar.
I would assume, that these abilities scale with your most prominent attribute.

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