Herro wrote: » Use your epic credit card a few times and then they will find you and the people whom dealt in the sell. Perma ban incoming. Everyone happy.
Sandman wrote: » it's not that hard to see what you've been doing, selling to earn money, they will monitor and transaction . I mean you can tryi I'm not risking my account no way.
nelsonrebel wrote: » Im not sure what you mean here. Do you mean real world transaction between you and another person out of the game world for another player to "give" you want you want and paid real money for? Thats not something you can really track...
Aardvark wrote: » Herro wrote: » Use your epic credit card a few times and then they will find you and the people whom dealt in the sell. Perma ban incoming. Everyone happy. Would be nice but every game claims that 99 percent do not What we need to do is cut demand by making the best stuff bop
Marzzo wrote: » Aardvark wrote: » Herro wrote: » Use your epic credit card a few times and then they will find you and the people whom dealt in the sell. Perma ban incoming. Everyone happy. Would be nice but every game claims that 99 percent do not What we need to do is cut demand by making the best stuff bop That does not work. Only amateur boosters sell items/gold. Pro boosters sell raid spots for your character with loot priority. This is 100% safe from the customers point of view and the booster.
Marzzo wrote: » Unfortunatly, there is a P2W in ashes of creation. Not from Intrepid studios POV, and it won't be their intention nor fault. But P2W will be a massive part of this game. And based on current systems, there is nothing to stop it. Any player with little time and some money can easily contact pro players and guilds on discord or third party sites for boosts. Not in the form of gold or items, since that is utterly stupid and easy to stop, but in the form of raid spots and team spots in arena. If I want the best gear in the game, Ill simply contact a booster guild on their own platform (discord/website) and pay them a certain amount of money for a raid spot and loot priority. Ingame, we will just make it look like I am a player of the guild in some form. When I get all the best gear in the game, ill leave the guild and do whatever I want, with a P2W advantage over other players. This works in PvP too. Every season, ill just pay any top arena team on their platform and they will invite me to their arena team ingame. They will boost me as much as I can pay for. I am afraid this will also sometimes be used in EXTREME circumstances. For example, I could pay a twitch streamer behind the scenes to use his fans, power and influence to simply erradicate a metropolis that I dont like, and him boosting my metropolis, I can effectivly buy a metropolis and mayorship etc without problem by bribing streamers.How can you stop this? Sadly, there is no moral way of stopping this. A good buyer/seller will easily be able to hide the boost without giving IS any reason nor proof that a boost is in fact taking place. But there is an immoral way of stopping this. And it is an investment or cost based on how you look at it. Boosting sites operate by having a coordinator that handles the transactions. Once the transaction is made, the coordinator will contact the boosters that in turn help you out in game. This is where the whistleblower come in to play. If intrepid buys the boosting service from a third party site, and then simply permabans the boosters, most boosting cites will die out. Since boosters invest a shitton of time into their characters they would not dare to lose everything over a 100-1000$ boost. If intrepid regulary monitor boosting cites and activly ban players that work for them, the amount of pay 2 win will radically decrease.What if we dont use whistleblowers Well, Ashes will be pay to win in the sense that you can get anything with your credit card. You really cant prove a boost if it is done correctly. And I am afraid to tell you, there are many people utilizing boosts.
novercalis wrote: » Marzzo wrote: » Unfortunatly, there is a P2W in ashes of creation. Not from Intrepid studios POV, and it won't be their intention nor fault. But P2W will be a massive part of this game. And based on current systems, there is nothing to stop it. Any player with little time and some money can easily contact pro players and guilds on discord or third party sites for boosts. Not in the form of gold or items, since that is utterly stupid and easy to stop, but in the form of raid spots and team spots in arena. If I want the best gear in the game, Ill simply contact a booster guild on their own platform (discord/website) and pay them a certain amount of money for a raid spot and loot priority. Ingame, we will just make it look like I am a player of the guild in some form. When I get all the best gear in the game, ill leave the guild and do whatever I want, with a P2W advantage over other players. This works in PvP too. Every season, ill just pay any top arena team on their platform and they will invite me to their arena team ingame. They will boost me as much as I can pay for. I am afraid this will also sometimes be used in EXTREME circumstances. For example, I could pay a twitch streamer behind the scenes to use his fans, power and influence to simply erradicate a metropolis that I dont like, and him boosting my metropolis, I can effectivly buy a metropolis and mayorship etc without problem by bribing streamers.How can you stop this? Sadly, there is no moral way of stopping this. A good buyer/seller will easily be able to hide the boost without giving IS any reason nor proof that a boost is in fact taking place. But there is an immoral way of stopping this. And it is an investment or cost based on how you look at it. Boosting sites operate by having a coordinator that handles the transactions. Once the transaction is made, the coordinator will contact the boosters that in turn help you out in game. This is where the whistleblower come in to play. If intrepid buys the boosting service from a third party site, and then simply permabans the boosters, most boosting cites will die out. Since boosters invest a shitton of time into their characters they would not dare to lose everything over a 100-1000$ boost. If intrepid regulary monitor boosting cites and activly ban players that work for them, the amount of pay 2 win will radically decrease.What if we dont use whistleblowers Well, Ashes will be pay to win in the sense that you can get anything with your credit card. You really cant prove a boost if it is done correctly. And I am afraid to tell you, there are many people utilizing boosts. I think this is over-reaching. I dont think we as a community needs to now start looking for all the niche ways of things. As long as 80-90% of the P2W function has been removed - I don't care for the niche forms. The amount of people who would be doing this would be the same amount of people who will have a flying mount in the game. Is soo damn small. A rich person is gonna find a loophole no matter what - no point trying to micromanage, go into ever nook and crany situation and try to seal a hole. In the end, pretends its like that cartoon where the boat is sinking - they plug one hole but another hole open up. You plug that hole yet another hole opens up.... As long as we blocked a majoirty, like 80-90% majority of obvious loopholes / p2w formats / gold sellers and whatnot - I am happy. You found a creative way - so be it. 1 in 1000 and in 10000 server, I am fine with that.
screwtape wrote: » I'd rather Intrepid focus on developing new content or dealing with bots/gold seller spam. If someone pays a bunch of people to boost them via in-game mechanics, that is just an untraceable path of wasted effort. I've been in guilds where we boosted each others alts and friends ALL the time. It is one of the core reasons to join guilds. The fact that someone pays for that benefit vs just making friends or joining a higher end guild, will be nearly untraceable without a stupid amount of effort. Intrepid is a game development company, they develop game content and ensure game is running correctly and ToS are followed. They are not the CIA/FBI to have an entire investigation unit to track down real world interactions/transactions.
novercalis wrote: » Marzzo wrote: » Aardvark wrote: » Herro wrote: » Use your epic credit card a few times and then they will find you and the people whom dealt in the sell. Perma ban incoming. Everyone happy. Would be nice but every game claims that 99 percent do not What we need to do is cut demand by making the best stuff bop That does not work. Only amateur boosters sell items/gold. Pro boosters sell raid spots for your character with loot priority. This is 100% safe from the customers point of view and the booster. Also nothing prevents me spending in-game gold to buy into a raid spot. just like WoW - pay me in-game to run you a dungeon. nothing illegal there. If I am able to clear a dungeon solo and with a master loot system in place - I can sell he desired loot you want - you can't stop that nor is it in Ashes benefit to intervene on that. All they can do is change the dungeon / class to prevent me from soloing it I suppose but to punish me for selling a in-game service for in-game money shouldnt have any consequence. If so - why do we have a bounty hunter service? Hell AoC already promoted the idea of - hiring mercenaries to protect your caravan....
novercalis wrote: » Would you then call - paying people to protect your caravan / loot a p2w function?....
