Same Subclass Progression

The whole archtype system looks to be very fun and promising so far with a lot of diversity. So far I've seen descriptions on how subclasses will augment your primary but none on how doubling up with your primary will be handled.

For example a Bard with a Bard subclass is a Minstrel but is it just basically a Bard, a Bard on steroids, or do they unlock different skills because it won't augment the class because it already has access to Bard skills? I would assume based on how they are approaching things that double classing would be equally viable and fun otherwise it wouldn't be mentioned so how does that kind of choice play out in class progression?

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Damokles

KeybladerH wrote: »

Vashramire wrote: »

We all know other games do different things with classes. Bard in FFXIV is a ranged bow user, and Thieves in GW2 can use staffs, etc so honestly anything is up in the air till launch since a class can be anything the devs want.

As a person who plays ffxiv religiously and loves bards in d&d I was so disappointed with the bard in ffxiv, it felt nothing like a bard, but from what they have said about them in this game.

We used bard as an example and I got seriously side tracked by that BUT to the original post a same archetype class will still get access to the same schools of augments as a dual archetype class. If the devs have built this into the game it’s up to them to make sure that you have the same choice regardless.

The chanter in aion was honestly the best bard class i have played in a game (except for my Bard/rogue dnd character)

Vashramire

KeybladerH wrote: »

Vashramire wrote: »

We all know other games do different things with classes. Bard in FFXIV is a ranged bow user, and Thieves in GW2 can use staffs, etc so honestly anything is up in the air till launch since a class can be anything the devs want.

As a person who plays ffxiv religiously and loves bards in d&d I was so disappointed with the bard in ffxiv, it felt nothing like a bard, but from what they have said about them in this game.

We used bard as an example and I got seriously side tracked by that BUT to the original post a same archetype class will still get access to the same schools of augments as a dual archetype class. If the devs have built this into the game it’s up to them to make sure that you have the same choice regardless.

Same with Dancer. I appreciate the unique view on standard classes but they could have just called them something else and saved them for the traditional playstyle.

ZeekMystic

Problem with ffxiv is it is VERY rigid with the trinity so support classes don’t exist you’re either a healer or a tank and if you’re not one of those you are just a dd so the traditional play styles of the support oriented bard and dancer just didn’t exist so they had to go more dd heavy with it

Vashramire

Sadly Red Mage never had a chance to be a buffer/support either. I guess I can play 11 or tactics if I want the real deal.

ZeekMystic

Indeed, although I’m too into red mage to not enjoy it lol. Love me some swords and magic

Vashramire

I too enjoy it but aside from doublecast it doesn't have the feel of buffing and debuffing the world like they should.

ZeekMystic

Agreed, I thought for sure they would get the haste spell but alas the rigid trinity says no.

That’s another thing that I’m hoping works well here being able to create that red mage feel, and have it actually feel like it’s working. As different secondary archetypes blend the line between the trinity a little bit, while doubling down makes you more effective at your role

Vashramire

Very true. With the more loosened trinity I think the game would have I'm interested to see how things can fit together, like can you OT as a Fighter/Tank or does Tank/Cleric become strong enough of a self healer that the actual healer can spec into more damage/buffing. I'm liking where things are going and with the skillshot/action vs tab targeting skill interactions I think Bard could be a good risk/reward buff/heal class that rewards good aim and positioning which I look forward to.

Dreoh

Vashramire wrote: »

Very true. With the more loosened trinity I think the game would have I'm interested to see how things can fit together, like can you OT as a Fighter/Tank or does Tank/Cleric become strong enough of a self healer that the actual healer can spec into more damage/buffing. I'm liking where things are going and with the skillshot/action vs tab targeting skill interactions I think Bard could be a good risk/reward buff/heal class that rewards good aim and positioning which I look forward to.

I think it's confirmed only Primary Tank is a Tank, and only Primary Cleric is a "good" healer
There's some info saying Summoner might be the filler class like Druids in WoW but there's no confirmation in how well they'll be able to
Bards are said to be able to heal but to a far lesser extant than Cleric

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